I kind of get the logic there. I kind of want to wait until wryly gets home and posts first, because if she is scum with thoth the game could be over already, and maybe they just havent been home to coordinate the hammer. Just wanna eliminate that as a possibility first and wait for her to post.
can someone explain what I am missing in mharmans novel? What is his exact claimed night actions? All I am seeing is that he claimed a visit on whiteflame dp1 and somehow got tracked to himself? Not sure how tracking a hider would look. What did he do np2? He made it sound like his plan was to visit me but didn't confirm?
Or two
I know, they could both be scum. I am still thinking I want to stick between dreamer results though and hit wryly or thoth. I feel increasingly good about you, i'd almost venture to say I don't think there is any way you could be scum, but that's probably not smart. Either way, I am not even considering you as a lynch option for today.
If there are two scum, and I don't see why there wouldn't be, they would have already hammered wryly or magicman right? Which means there is exactly one scum between the two of them.
What was the reason for all the hesitance behind your claim?
Wait so who did you hide behind np1? What explains the track of you visiting yourself? I missed it skimming your novel
Going to bed, ill try to post some thought later on
Since you guys are so adamant at playing this game of gay chicken, can we pick a time for you two to finally kiss? In a half hour/hour/two hours? You will both have to post once the clock strikes 9/10 whatever, within that minute window. This would make it so neither of you will have time to craft a response to what the other posts.
I support this.
The imbalance argument is meh. Rex's role is barely investigative. As for "there are three protective roles", Rex's power could only stop a kill if it was delivered via power, like poisoner or something, and he'd die in the process. That's pretty weak. Mikal could only stop an NK if he baited scum, and he could also cost town two kills for the price of one. Having a doctor this game makes sense to me.
If you the doctor, I'd hope it "makes sense to you".
This post really rubs me the wrong way based on its phrasing, sounds like a scum slip lol
Need both of you to claim results and full roles. I have reason to town read both of you but can't say that in good faith til you claim. Wryly should be 100% dead after claiming doctor lol
Tell me more about your character's role justification. It doesn't click with me.
Justification is about how it is my dream to rule the kingdom and how he pursues this dream even after taking a defeat by regrouping in the mountains of rain and night.
You might as well make Sauron a dreamer because he wanted to conquer Middle Earth and didn't give up after he was defeated by Elendil and Gil-galad on the slopes of Mount Doom. You might as well make Voldemort a dreamer because he sought dominance over the wizarding world and didn't give up after the curse backfired at Godric's Hollow and he lost corporeal form.
Thats literally my justification. If you don't like it take it up with pie in the endgame.
It is way to easy to double post on accident here
It seems like it happens mostly on mobile. I had it happen on DART a lot too.
I protected Magic.
I am not sure how many noob passes to keep giving you but this one was just wierd considering how many people had him in their scum POE's. Really not liking this.
Yeah I smell a bus here lol.
if wryly does end up being the lynch please don’t let this exonerate Casey lol. I feel like it will anyway. I die tonight and mafia get a free bus win because I doubt any one here can wrap there minds around scum bus like that lol. I hope I’m wrong
Your lack of comment on Casey’s vote is interesting
I notice RationalTheist is just flying smoothly under y'all's radar. Is your DP1 analysis of him unchanged?
personally I am most focused on locating a scum within my results. If we that is Casey I say tomorrow is a day we can explore different options for scum outside the results. The early claim gives him some credence but I also believe his role, and a town roleblocker kind of conflict, throw a hider into the mix it feels a bit wierd. But that puts Rex and his role into question too, so I’m hoping we will also have some tracker results and a potentially a doctor protection to help with POE tomorrow a bit.
Where have you been?
I believe we only have two hours left to make a decision.
pie confirm?
Part of me also wonders if this is a bus lol, if Casey thinks she’s getting lynched anyway, which she has stated multiple times now that she does, even in the above post, maybe you try to create as much distance with your scum partner as you can as a last ditch effort. It would be in line with my mod psyche theory of pie putting both scum on the dreamer results.
But that's because I'm pretty confident in my reads on Wryly and Thoth. I simply don't believe that Mikal was the only role that could potentially stop the NK. Wryly pretty much has to be town in my eyes. So for me, it's either Thoth or Luna. I think Thoth is more likely to be town.
I really don’t like the wryly switch here. For one I don’t see that her behavior would have changed negatively since casey posted the above read ^, if anything wryly seems to be asking the questions and playing this smart instead of bandwagoning blindly like many noobs do. I do not get the vibe that wryly is going with the flow at all, and I am genuinely curious what post wryly made in the last page and a half that gave Casey the vibe that she is? Because I am not seeing it.
The vote to me makes more sense form a scum POV, if you already are thinking you could be the lynch and time is getting to the deadline, her push on me has stagnated and you know you need a lynch alternate of herself, the only other person who even has a vote is wryly, so maybe you push that one and hope it gathers steam. Because ultimately even her switching off of me makes little sense, unless she just doesn’t think she can get steam for that wagon.
idk I’m obviously locked in on Casey being scum and hope this isn’t tunnel vision but I would have been way less suspicious if she voted for one her more consistent reads like magic or Rex here, the wryly switch is a bit unexpected and a complete 180 flip from her previous reads.
thoughts?
Whats the plan people?
Btw I am genuinely sorry this game is causing you stress with the amount of work you are piled with, and I hope you can get away and enjoy the concert this weekend without having to stress too much about a game.
This may be irrelevant to this game, but are Dreamer results random in the sense that any set of players meeting the Dreamer requirements, i.e., at least one town, is equally probable to show up? If not, does the mod choose the names? I asked Pie whether or not he could answer my questions about a hypothetical Dreamer, and he said that he could not.
Its probably mod chosen, even though most mods claim they randomize things, I think most lie, but ultimately theres really no way to prove it. Regardless, as to whether there are multiple people on the dreamer results, historically speaking, I don't think I've ever seen dreamer results containing more than one scum on them, even though the role allows for more. The reason I am dubious as to there being more than one on this dreamer result, is because I literally just called that out in the last game with the caroler results, so I can see pie wanting to change it up and add in an extra mafia in this game just to defy the status qou. Its mostly mod psyche though, and I have no real other significant reason to believe there are two scum on these results other than if he wanted to punish towns way of thinking that after finding one scum on the results, the rest are confirmed, since that has been the basic trend.
(Post #134) Any of these points by themselves would be too weak to lynch over, but all three together are strong. (Ecclesiastes 4:12) In fairness, the only mislynch we have had is also the only lynch we have had, and more than half of players voted for it.
And in my reads, I did attribute it as a point against all of them.
If we get two wrong, there probably won't be an after. I know that I am town, but, if I looked at it from the standpoint of a neutral third-party with no solid reads on myself or Wryly, both might look like the wrong lynch tomorrow because there is likely only one scum in the dream and the wrong choice would instantly lose for town.
I would be surprised if it wasn't casey, because the other two claimed people in the results are a tracker and doctor, both make sense balance wise. Casey's role is the odd one out.
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But that's important, because in DP2 of Ace Attorney, Luna went HARD against Mharman when his own Tracker results showed Magic visiting himself. In fact, he was the Doctor, but Luna still ended up leading his lynch. Here, he can't possibly be the doctor, otherwise he would have CC'd Wryly, but Luna just.. Doesn't seem to scumread him? It's such an odd shift, and it stands out for me. I can understand prioritizing Dreamer results to an extent, but the total lack of any focus on Magic from Luna is jarring to me. That's why I think Luna is scum.
Ace attorney was literally over a year ago. I barely remember anything of that game at all, so its amusing that you think I would play 100% similarly to how I did there. Also from looking at the endgame, it looks like mafia won, and mharman wasn't mafia, so you are saying its scummy that I am not pursuing a path that I was wrong about? You don't think I am capable of learning and growing game to game? Btw it's not even true that I am not suspicious of mharmans self visit. I actually mentioned that I was suspicious of it in 110. This is what I said verbatim "One major point against him however is the self visit. I can't think of a ton of town roles that self visit except maybe gramps, and his soft claim to me went completely over my head. Maybe when he explains it, it will make more sense to me, idk. But mafia do have a lot of self visiting roles, primarily something like lawyer, ninja, strongman, lookout, etc (depending on how mod mechanics make them work), so it is a bit suspicious as of this moment. " Mharman is not in my dreamer results so he is a problem for after we find at least one scum on my dreamer results. I have said this repeatedly and am sticking to it, and I suspect you would do the same in my shoes if you were town. It would be weird of you not to.
Anyways you literally asked me about who I thought your scum partner could be and he was one of the ones I pointed out could be your partner, so why are you trying to change the narrative here and act like I have town confirmed mharman when I haven't?
Alright thats good enough for me basically everyone has had a chance to opine here, so i'll go ahead and vtl casey.
another big issue I’m having with Casey is that she doesn’t even seem to be considering a world where the dreamer results are accurate. Like her whole theory is just that I’m doing a Hail Mary double attempt at a. Scum gambit that I’ve already used before, she actually hasn’t considered the results could be true and if she was town I figure she would at least be trying to look into Thoth or wryly as an option here, instead of automatically accepting they are town.
By the way, does anyone else think it's crazy that there's a claimed Weak RB and a Compulsive Hider in this game? Because that's kind of nuts as far as balance goes, especially in a 9 player game.
add the ascetizer in the mix it gets crazier. On one hand it balances out a dreamer but I admit that I am dubious all three actually exist in the game. But that is a problem for after we figure out the scum in the dreamer results.
Anyways I think Rex is the only one who hasn’t commented on this whole situation recently so I will wait for his comments before I place my vote
Casey. I’m not scumnreading you for advocating a no lynch. In fact I probably wouldn’t have thought much of it if you didn’t also appear in my dreamer results. The fact of the matter is that it’s already common knowledge that we should avoid trying to no lynch though, and with you already having the two ticks against you of 1: appearing on my results and 2: convienently being able to town confirm a dead person, it doesn’t flood good that you also not only participated in the only mislynch we had but also encouraged others to vote for anyone consensus no matter how bad it was, to just hit said consensus. Like you fear mongered people into throwing caution to the wind by giving them a pass for it by being extra about how bad the consequences of a no lynch are. That feels wierd to me after we just steam rolled in a game where a no lynch occurred. Again yes, it is most often times better to lynch then no lynch. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that, but mafia have extra incentive to make sure any mislynch occurs so it seems wierd that you were pulling so hard for people to be lax with their vote. You could have encouraged a lynch before deadline without also encouraging laziness in the voting effort. that wouldn’t be changing your meta.
And no I’m not only holding you accountable for the mislynch, just adding the mislynch to your tally of things that look bad for you and overall that gives you the most “sus” points if you will.
