Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/1/2026 at 12:03 PM (post #882)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 10:00 AM (post #881)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/1/2026 at 11:56 AM (post #878)
Magics role is a lot to process, but I’m not as convinced it nails scum in Mikal down. I think all of us have abbreviated mislynch as ml before and the spacing thing is kind of a meh argument. That said I agree that Mikal’s role as scum is horrible for LYLO. I have trouble wrapping my head around why scum would have recruited Casey unless they were asking the mod to replace that slot in advance or something.

Anyways I’m going to bed soon so I will think about this with a fresh mind tonight.
Mikal does those things the most.

also, what about the writer putting himself at the top of the list of living players in the 1v4?

the players were ordered

Mikal
Mag1cman
Lunatic
Wylted
Magoroth

if he said 4v1 it would imply Magoroth since he’s at the bottom of the list, but he said 1v4… which implies Mikal.
I mean maybe. I don’t think that’s an airtight confirmation of him being scum, but I understand the logic.


I think it’s a pretty strong indicator. Now combine that with my analysis of Pie’s incentives in #685, and you have a pretty strong scum case.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/1/2026 at 11:56 AM (post #878)
Magics role is a lot to process, but I’m not as convinced it nails scum in Mikal down. I think all of us have abbreviated mislynch as ml before and the spacing thing is kind of a meh argument. That said I agree that Mikal’s role as scum is horrible for LYLO. I have trouble wrapping my head around why scum would have recruited Casey unless they were asking the mod to replace that slot in advance or something.

Anyways I’m going to bed soon so I will think about this with a fresh mind tonight.

Mikal does those things the most.


also, what about the writer putting himself at the top of the list of living players in the 1v4?


the players were ordered


Mikal

Mag1cman

Lunatic

Wylted

Magoroth


if he said 4v1 it would imply Magoroth since he’s at the bottom of the list, but he said 1v4… which implies Mikal.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Magoroth on 9/1/2026 at 11:55 AM (post #877)
I asked Banana if a role like Mikal’s could be used by the person on themself 1) and if it’s still active at MyLo/LyLo.

Speaking of MyLo/LyLo, does Banana usually announce this? I don’t think we have a Tailor considering Lunatic claimed to have been role blocked--

Actually, I just had a thought. Why did Pie not use a Lawyer on himself?

he probably couldn’t self target, that’s my guess.


If he didn’t that’s just some crazy WIFOM.


but his defense was that every implicating result or action was just part of the plan against him.


So either he did it for WIFOM, or more likely, he just couldn’t target himself. Idt it matters either way

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 11:47 AM (post #873)
You sir are not this stupid. No idea id I can use it on mylo but if I did. Scum just auto win

What is the logic with that. Vote me cus I make it so I can't vote myself and ao I cant vote so the game ties and mafia just wins?


I’m covering for all possibilities, no matter how unlikely.


I’m not just playing for the win conditions, I’m also looking to avoid the weird lose conditions.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #868)
I am not ignoring them per say. We just get 2 shots.

No one has results or they would have said it

So all we have is behvaior and who pie would have targetted



I agree with you there was some potential distancing with mago. But at the same time. Magic was trying to move the lynch off pie when it was obviously him. Just iso magic and tell me his behavior is not weird as shit. The entire tailor thing last dp and just literal shift away from pie and entering the dp saying he doesnt think a tailor was in play when both cards have flipped.

Im just pretty set on the fact pie would have picked one of you two.


And even behavior is limited cus dp1 behavior is reset cus of the yazkua shot. The wagon and behavior yesterday matters along with motivation too recruit.

Why magic - weird behavior and conspiracy shit. Trying to move lynch off pie. Prime rec target
Why you - vanilla claim. Need to see if pie claimed shit. You could have gave him your initial claim and came up with vanilla and bussed to win


But I just dont see a world where he picks casey or mago. Mago cus mago and casey cus he doesnt play much. Wylted is outside but id eat a loss if he went Wylted over you or magiv knowing how much pie would pick you two first

stalling the DP had two benefits:


  1. I get my thoughts out
  2. People mistakenly Sus me, improving my chances of staying alive and getting another result


but of all the people who would Sus me for that, you’re the one person who shouldn’t. You saw me do it as town in Game Shows Mafia. You took advantage of it when Savant tunneled me for it in that game.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #867)
Magic and then luna

If I was pie I would have picked Luna tbh. Whatever way town wants to go is where I go and I do believe you are town. My preferred lunch is mago for reasons Luna stated as well as my own but I'm also willing to go with a few different options. Luna comes across as town to me but like I said he was the choice I would have made in pies shoes

there is zero chance Pie recruits Magoroth. Zero.


It just doesn’t match with any of his incentives. Plus if you scumread Magoroth that badly you should trust me, and the fore my results, which heavily implicate Mikal.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 11:39 AM (post #864)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #863)
"After tonight we'll be 1 vs 4.
Mikal
Mag1cman
Lunatic
wylted
Magoroth
We need 2 mls to win"

autocorrect removed the double space when I copy pasted it… 🤦‍♂️

btw the justification for my role isn’t just that he’s a little boy. It’s that he spots a lot of weird info and it’s helpful to the adults, despite them not comprehending it initially.

No, DART is removing the double space every time I post it. Wtf? Just trust me, it’s there.

lemme test something: 1 2

Dcraft*


also lol what.


you can test this for yourself


type “1 2” and leave two spaces in between the numbers. DCraft literally removes the double space.


that’s so weird


1 2 3 4 5

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #863)
"After tonight we'll be 1 vs 4.
Mikal
Mag1cman
Lunatic
wylted
Magoroth
We need 2 mls to win"

autocorrect removed the double space when I copy pasted it… 🤦‍♂️

btw the justification for my role isn’t just that he’s a little boy. It’s that he spots a lot of weird info and it’s helpful to the adults, despite them not comprehending it initially.


No, DART is removing the double space every time I post it. Wtf? Just trust me, it’s there.


lemme test something: 1 2

Mag1cman
"After tonight we'll be 1 vs 4.
Mikal
Mag1cman
Lunatic
wylted
Magoroth
We need 2 mls to win"


autocorrect removed the double space when I copy pasted it… 🤦‍♂️


btw the justification for my role isn’t just that he’s a little boy. It’s that he spots a lot of weird info and it’s helpful to the adults, despite them not comprehending it initially.

Mag1cman

FULL CLAIM TIME


READ THIS WHOLE POST CAREFULLY


I am Ethan; I have a role called Little Boy. The role allows me to passively receive one message from scum chat.


NP1:


"And tomorrow just claim commuter if someone asks"


NP2:


"After tonight we'll be 1 vs 4.

Mikal

Mag1cman

Lunatic

wylted

Magoroth

We need 2 mls to win"


Mikal being at the top of this list of players in the “1 vs. 4” implies that Mikal is scum.


Notice the double space in “1 vs. 4” as well as mislynch being abbreviated as “ml”… both of these things match exactly with how Mikal types.


Btw, my role was another reason why I would’ve hammered Pie before the DP closed, had someone not beat me to it. I can buy some higher investigative power than normal this game bc of the yakuza, but watcher, cop, little boy, plus magaorth’s weird role was way too much. You need to take out one of the big ones and that ended up being Pie’s “watcher”


Spending all that time delaying giving my thoughts out has another benefit: It attracts a Sus onto me. I know this bc I was wrongly tunneled for it by Savant in Game Shows Mafia.


And if I’m being sussed, it means I stay alive to gain a second result. My first result wasn’t the jackpot I was looking for.


Earlier last DP, I said to Magoroth, “You have to argue Pie recruited me and tried to cover me by claiming watcher. Good luck arguing that.” Something like that; I don’t remember the post number. But Magoroth had expressed a Sus on me for “TMI” so I wrote my response specifically so that he’d keep sussing me, maybe get a Sus from some else.


Pie was always going to be the lynch that DP, so it was low risk.


The last behavior of mine I’m going to point out is my “claim” from yesterday, where I said “I targeted Lunatic, my action failed, and I think it was a roleblock because it wasn’t a commuter.”


This had two purposes. First, no one with an important role claims their roleblock, they keep it hidden. By signaling that I don’t have an important role, I improve my odds of not being the NK. Secondly, it leaves a legacy. If Lunatic were to make the mistake of claiming commuter in the event of me being NK’d, he would be immediately outed by flip and my quote. Scum Lunatic wouldn’t be likely to make a mistake, but it was the best I could with my NP1 result. So you can see why I wanted a second result so badly.


You can mislynch me, but you have to make sure you get Mikal next DP, because I feel confident it’s him.


To minmax you should lynch Mikal first anyway. Otherwise he could use his role to make himself unvoteable. Given that chats and common sense, it’s unlikely that he has a second usage of it, or that Banana would allow the role to be used in LYLO. But it’s a risk I’d rather not take.


VTL: Mikal

Mag1cman


From Pie in #527

Mag1c is pure big brain. I can see the strategy with him and Kohai at EOD. Goal was to get REF so they could kill two birds with one stone and the switch to Pie was theatric. I think this is unlikely though, and my townread of him during DP1 was pretty solid.


My response in #639

Theatrical? lol how?

Also, you referring to yourself in the 3rd person gives me the impression you may have copy-pasted this from the scum chat. If this is the case, I expect a higher-level player to be with you in scum chat. I don't think a lower-level player would help you write a convincing reads list. You don't need the help, but I think you would accept it from a higher-level player.

I think this implies Mikal way more than it does Wylted.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 10:56 AM (post #849)
"I think we can rule out tailor"

What does that even mean. Its not in the game lol. Why do you think we can rule it out and why is it even being brought up

you act like it was 100% certain last DP. It wasn’t.

Mag1cman
If you're (Pie) OG scum, you're probably recruiting either Mikal, me, or Lunatic. Thoth is an option just to find out his role. Magoroth and Wylted are for mindgames only. But given the four candidates already here, I doubt you'd go for mindgames by recruiting Magoroth or Wylted.

If you picked up Thoth was investigative, then he's a fantastic option. Problem is, he's hard bussing you rn with results and I don't think he has to do that.

So me, Lunatic, or Mikal. I can't speak on myself outside of what I've already said; I know I'm town.

Lunatic or Mikal? Lunatic not bussing you would be sus. And you know that. So you're signing up to be bussed if you recruit him. That leaves Mikal. Best option for you IMO.

Although if Mikal and I are the only good options, maybe you would try some mindgames. Although yeah, Magoroth was sussed so that's even more mindgames. And Wylted doesn't have a good role to take, unless you genuinenly thought he was dreamer. hmm. Your posts seem to indicate you did. But you could also just pay Wylted a visit then. Although you'd risk him actually being a PGO. Not a bad risk to take considering the situation tbh. Odds seem low he was actually PGO.

Also for Thoth, why pressure him so much DP1 if you can just figure him out upon recruiting? Unless you were scouting for something to recruit? You (Pie) would've pressed even more people for info at that point tho... so I don't think that was your plan.

TEAM COMBOS IF PIE OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)
1Pie-2Mikal
1Pie-2Wylted
1Pie-2Lunatic
1Pie-2Thoth
1Pie-2Magoroth

Imma make a call and drop the bottom three for now. They just seem too unlikely to me.


Copy-pasted from #685

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 10:52 AM (post #845)
Dude we have the 2 scum flips. The fuck are you even talking about a tailor.

We can see all their roles. Lmfao.


and I’m saying what we have disproves tailor. Say what you want but it was a possibility to think about for a while.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/1/2026 at 10:25 AM (post #840)

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 8:22 AM (post #837)
Pretty sure luna is town but would never put it pass luna to bus.

My role is verified.

Want a claim list. Assumed wykted said Miller becajse someone said he means a cop is in the game


Question is who would pie yazkua.

David did not pick that pie did


Answer is luna or magic.

Magaroth I or wylted would never have been a yakuza target. I was casey and inactive pie would have picked someone to play with

Order should be magic and luna and game is solved
I think you are overlooking mago as a possibility. I am a bit suspicious that yesterday was theatre to distance mago and himself. Pie had to have known he was cooked at that point from his being linked with kohai dp1. I think he would want to put a ton of distance between himself and his recruit.

We should be high skeptical of everyone alive, even wylted. Wylted probably is the miller, but I could see pie advocating to recruit him if he thought he was a dreamer.

I don’t buy that he recruits Magoroth. Magoroth has been scumread by some people since DP1. Pie was already sussed, he needed to pick up a partner who wasn’t.

Mag1cman

Anyway, with Pie being correctly lynched as OG scum, I think we can rule out a tailor.


Tailoring Kohai NP1 would’ve been a play specifically designed to screw Pie over. Since Pie was scum, there was clearly no plan to screw Pie over. So we’re dealing with a yakuza for sure.


With that in mind, the last scum is between Mikal and Wylted, per my analysis from last DP.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 10:23 AM (post #838)
Plus magic being spazzy end of last dp and trying to redirect off pie

Id bet my left nut last scum is one of those 2. Have to dismiss luna from dp1 as he could have been yazkuad and busses for credit. But high chance this is just magic

lol I did not post that all that analysis just to be called scum

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/31/2026 at 5:51 PM (post #821)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 4:50 PM (post #819)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/31/2026 at 5:49 PM (post #817)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 4:48 PM (post #816)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/31/2026 at 5:48 PM (post #814)
It’s over dude. You took too long. Lynch Mago tomorrow
sorry bruh

just stupid shit all around. Mikal being sheep. Thoth too illiterate to see the upside and blindly following results
mikal was showing up as a frequent pick in my analysis for who was most likely to be recruited. Worth noting.

i mean common dude. Needed this yesterday. Too late now. Frustrating af. It’s probably an L now.

btw Pie I know you feel frustrated but unless I found something outright clearing of you or damning of someone else, I was gonna lynch you anyway. Was just dragging out the DP to give more thoughts that would be useful to town.


The big things were the behavior around Kohai, and that one post I called out that looked copy-pasted from scum chat.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 5:54 PM (post #824)
TAILOR TEAM COMBOS:

Mikal is a high pick for doing this play a while ago. Thoth may have TMIed it earlier. This would also be a plot to lynch Pie. Lunatic not exempt. Here Magoroth's thoughts seems too scattered for it to be him. But the behavior switch up is weird I'll grant.

Although based on the claims Thoth and Wylted can only be scum as a pair if tailor.

no team combos, POE actually


Wylted-Thoth exactly


or


2/2/3 in Mikal, Lunatic, Magoroth


if tailor

Mag1cman

TAILOR TEAM COMBOS:


Mikal is a high pick for doing this play a while ago. Thoth may have TMIed it earlier. This would also be a plot to lynch Pie. Lunatic not exempt. Here Magoroth's thoughts seems too scattered for it to be him. But the behavior switch up is weird I'll grant.


Although based on the claims Thoth and Wylted can only be scum as a pair if tailor.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 5:46 PM (post #812)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 5:27 PM (post #803)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 5:12 PM (post #799)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 8:39 PM (post #685)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 7:16 PM (post #639)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 2:05 PM (post #527)
Anyways, I’m going to get back to the strategy I came up with in Alien Mafia. The goal is to find the OG scum first based on motives of everyone. It does require everyone to full claim so that we can determine those motivations.

High level, I think we can eliminate Luna from the category because of his early attention on Kohai. I know I’m not scum. That leaves:

Perhaps, but he stuck to you. I like Lunatic on behavior, I'll say that. But in the same way DP1 I saw a world where Thoth was always your first choice and Kohai was second, I can see a world where Lunatic kept his sus on Kohai but was always gonna push you first. Worth noting.

Mag1c
I would've hammered you all day every day if I were scum. Last game, I pushed to get you lynched, and then killed you when I couldn't lol. Even if you stopped sussing me that game, it was worth killing you just so that you couldn't argue your way out of a lynch. You are the master of that.

Wylted
Thoth
Kohai was one of two original scum. Miller and cop go hand-in-hand, so odds are Thoth and Wylted confirm each other as OG town. Unless we really think Wylted pulled off a crazy big brain play. Wylted is capable but he loves his PGO/miller shenanigans, so I doubt it. He also hinted that he was miller before everyone entered thread, so he probably is just a real miller.
Mago
I don't know what to think of his claim or the timing of it. He followed his scum meta DP1, and with his partner being a yakuza, he would need to survive that DP.
Mikal
His claim is interesting. Given that it's in the game, Banana clearly had no problem with it being scum. The question is if she gave it to scum or if it were designed to be a role that scum could pick up. If it's the latter, not Mikal.

Mag1c is pure big brain. I can see the strategy with him and Kohai at EOD. Goal was to get REF so they could kill two birds with one stone and the switch to Pie was theatric. I think this is unlikely though, and my townread of him during DP1 was pretty solid.
Theatrical? lol how?

Also, you referring to yourself in the 3rd person gives me the impression you may have copy-pasted this from the scum chat. If this is the case, I expect a higher-level player to be with you in scum chat. I don't think a lower-level player would help you write a convincing reads list. You don't need the help, but I think you would accept it from a higher-level player.

Wylted is an interesting one. He’s pulled this Miller ploy before when he was scum with Luna. They basically cruised to the win in that game. I can see the same thing here. Take the fake claims. Soft claim Dreamer early and then come out with Miller.
He did this before? Wait, as in he claimed miller at the start, or that he faked something, then claimed miller later?

Thoth also is interesting, but is reliant upon Wylted. In certain ways they’re intertwined. I don’t think Thoth can be the OG if Wylted is telling the truth about Miller.
This.

Mago I can see being the OG scum. He was in the shadows (normal scum meta). The dynamic between him the Kohai was non existent. The questioning about Yakuza also came off a bit disingenuous to me, especially with the side quest of Tailor. No reason to believe there’s a Tailor or anything similar
Yup. Although I don't find his tailor musings to be completely unfounded. It's worth exploring, especially since it existed last game. This one would have to function differently than the last, sure, but I don't blame Magoroth for exploring the idea.

Mikal is hard to judge as OG scum from posts. Only thing there to read is Kohai chose REX over Casey/Mikal initially. The role Mikal has though is really powerful for scum if used correctly. It basically reduces a town vote. At 3-2 LYLO, town instantly loses because they lose the ability to gain a majority. Magistrate is also an exotic role. We have Watcher, Miller, Doctor, Cop, and then a Magistrate?
True. Saying it again, Banana is ok with scum having this role. Question is if she wanted scum to have it from the start, or if it were something cool scum could pick up. I somewhat lean toward the latter on mod psych, as the role has plenty of usage on either town or scum that way. I know if I gave a scum a recruitment mech, I would try to give town roles that would be like prizes for mafia recruiters. But my mind is open.

As for all the power roles town has: I can see them all with a yakuza in play. A recruitment isn't a roleblock, but since you change someone's affiliation, you prevent them from outing you as scum DP2 if they have a result. And if night actions process how I think, scum's recruit target shouldn't be ruled guilty the night they were recruited. I am asking Banana about this. It's not just relevant here; it's also relevant for the case against you.
@Pie let's start with this post. First, there's a small chance that you are OG scum and just tried to gamble a watcher claim. Although it is unlikely bc your DP1 behavior does match watcher. Unless you picked up what I was putting down last DP and are playing to that as scum by claiming watcher.

OG scum pool: Mag1c, Pie, Magoroth, Mikal, Lunatic

Now let's build a recruit pool using incentives, using the OG scum pool.

Idk who you think I'd have the most to least incentive to recruit, so I'll leave it up to you.

If you're (Pie) OG scum, you're probably recruiting either Mikal, me, or Lunatic. Thoth is an option just to find out his role. Magoroth and Wylted are for mindgames only. But given the four candidates already here, I doubt you'd go for mindgames by recruiting Magoroth or Wylted.

If you picked up Thoth was investigative, then he's a fantastic option. Problem is, he's hard bussing you rn with results and I don't think he has to do that.

So me, Lunatic, or Mikal. I can't speak on myself outside of what I've already said; I know I'm town.

Lunatic or Mikal? Lunatic not bussing you would be sus. And you know that. So you're signing up to be bussed if you recruit him. That leaves Mikal. Best option for you IMO.

Although if Mikal and I are the only good options, maybe you would try some mindgames. Although yeah, Magoroth was sussed so that's even more mindgames. And Wylted doesn't have a good role to take, unless you genuinenly thought he was dreamer. hmm. Your posts seem to indicate you did. But you could also just pay Wylted a visit then. Although you'd risk him actually being a PGO. Not a bad risk to take considering the situation tbh. Odds seem low he was actually PGO.

Also for Thoth, why pressure him so much DP1 if you can just figure him out upon recruiting? Unless you were scouting for something to recruit? You (Pie) would've pressed even more people for info at that point tho... so I don't think that was your plan.

TEAM COMBOS IF PIE OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)
1Pie-2Mikal
1Pie-2Wylted
1Pie-2Lunatic
1Pie-2Thoth
1Pie-2Magoroth

Imma make a call and drop the bottom three for now. They just seem too unlikely to me.

And I'll get back to this later. Imma do some gaming
Getting back to this. Now let's assume Magoroth is OG scum. Who does he have the most incentive to recruit? Figuring out what Thoth's role is would be good, although Thoth isn't one of the site's strongest players.

Given that he was going for Pie last DP, it makes little sense for him to want Pie. He could, sure, but it's not what looks like his plan was. So from scum Magoroth's POV, he probably wants to recruit someone who helps him lynch Pie. If Thoth has an investigative, that could produce damaging results on Pie.

But Lunatic has been on Pie all game long. Why not him? The downside is that if he isn't investigative, then someone could clear Pie or show him guilty. Same goes for Mikal. I can see Magoroth misunderstanding the timing of investigatives in the order of operations, and then recruiting someone not realizing an investigative could still pop them. But that leaves the issue of Pie being cleared.

Unless Magoroth has framer. Then, he can recruit someone like Lunatic or Mikal, without having to recruit Thoth. I imagine Magoroth in particular would be less likely to visit Wylted, with his PGO mindgames. Unless Kohai picked up on it. But then they know he's a miller and wouldn't want to recruit him.

That presents another avenue for manipulation by the way. A deflector could take any role that targets Pie and move it to Wylted.

So, Lunatic, or Mikal? Mikal has just been replaced in. Lunatic will help mislynch Pie. I think Mikal is the slightly better option because Lunatic being on Pie is already guaranteed this DP, basically. While Lunatic was widely townread, that, in a way, means he's not as likely, due to mindgames. Mikal can get himself townread. And with town's focus on Pie, Mikal isn't going to be the next lynch.

TEAM COMBOS IF MAGOROTH OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)

1Magoroth-2Mikal
1Magoroth-2Lunatic
1Magoroth-2Thoth
1Magoroth-2Pie
1Magoroth-2Wylted

Once again, I think the bottom two are way too outside the realm of possibility.
Moving onto Mikal.

Once again, Wylted is a poor option. Unless Mikal thought dreamer. I guess Magoroth could have too. But then Wylted claiming miller when he did is just strange. He still claimed it before so many people did... but he could've asked about it using the questions format. I guess he's a mindgames option, but eh. Why not just disturb Wylted then? I don't think Magoroth or Mikal are as limited as Pie in their options, so going for mindgames with Wylted isn't as appealing for either of them.

Thoth, Lunatic, or Pie?

I can see Mikal using his voting role to throw a sus on Lunatic while ensuring he doesn't vote for Pie, hoping to save Pie that way. But if that were his plan, wouldn't he have concealed his ability and not claimed? So probably not Pie. But going for Lunatic ties both together. There's Thoth, who has an investigative, but can scumslip/tmislip easily.

Well, Lunatic and I did get away with stting up the easy win and we tied ourelves together. I can see Mikal taking Lunatic over Pie, over Thoth. I think Mikal in particular wouldn't want Thoth. He knows Thoth's potential to slip and knows it bluntly. But then again, if he's the OG scum, this looks like a plot against Pie.

I don't think he's take Magoroth based on him being sussed by me last DP.

TEAM COMBOS IF MIKAL OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)
1Mikal-2Lunatic
1Mikal-2Thoth
1Mikal-2Pie
1Mikal-2Wylted
1Mikal-2Magoroth
Lunatic:

He clearly thought Wylted was a dreamer according #450. Worth noting.

Magoroth bad option for reasons earlier stated.

He wouldn't go for Pie bc he has to bus Pie anyway. So Lunatic would go for someone who can help him mislynch Pie. Depends on what Lunatic thought THoth had. Wylted could help him with it if he thought Wytled was dreamer. And his buddy Mikal is always an option. Just replaced in, so not sussed, can get himself townread, and depending on what Lunatic has, they can just frame Pie or do some other manipuating.

I don't think Mikal used his ability when they were scummates. Only if Mikal was OG scum. It depends on how the yakuza works. But the threat of dreamer is extreme. But Lunatic could disturb Wylted. But that leaves Pie open to be cleared by investigatives. I guess he could argue that Pie shielded himself from investigatives. And deflect Pie to Wylted shuts down a dreamer and implicates Pie if Wylted's miller. But I don't think I want to bet on a deflector specifically. So odds are Lunatic would've been scared by the dreamer potential.

TEAM COMBOS IF MIKAL OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)
1Lunatic-2Wylted
1Lunatic-2Mikal
1Lunatic-2Thoth
1Lunatic-2Magoroth
1Lunatic-2Pie

IF LUNATIC OG SCUM*

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/31/2026 at 5:49 PM (post #817)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 4:48 PM (post #816)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/31/2026 at 5:48 PM (post #814)
It’s over dude. You took too long. Lynch Mago tomorrow
sorry bruh

just stupid shit all around. Mikal being sheep. Thoth too illiterate to see the upside and blindly following results

mikal was showing up as a frequent pick in my analysis for who was most likely to be recruited. Worth noting.

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #813)
CLAIM:

I targeted Lunatic last night but was roleblocked. Leaving this for legacy, although I doubt I'll be the night kill

well, the wording was that my action failed. I doubt commuter.

Mag1cman

CLAIM:


I targeted Lunatic last night but was roleblocked. Leaving this for legacy, although I doubt I'll be the night kill

Mag1cman


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 5:27 PM (post #803)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/31/2026 at 5:12 PM (post #799)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 8:39 PM (post #685)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 7:16 PM (post #639)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 2:05 PM (post #527)
Anyways, I’m going to get back to the strategy I came up with in Alien Mafia. The goal is to find the OG scum first based on motives of everyone. It does require everyone to full claim so that we can determine those motivations.

High level, I think we can eliminate Luna from the category because of his early attention on Kohai. I know I’m not scum. That leaves:

Perhaps, but he stuck to you. I like Lunatic on behavior, I'll say that. But in the same way DP1 I saw a world where Thoth was always your first choice and Kohai was second, I can see a world where Lunatic kept his sus on Kohai but was always gonna push you first. Worth noting.

Mag1c
I would've hammered you all day every day if I were scum. Last game, I pushed to get you lynched, and then killed you when I couldn't lol. Even if you stopped sussing me that game, it was worth killing you just so that you couldn't argue your way out of a lynch. You are the master of that.

Wylted
Thoth
Kohai was one of two original scum. Miller and cop go hand-in-hand, so odds are Thoth and Wylted confirm each other as OG town. Unless we really think Wylted pulled off a crazy big brain play. Wylted is capable but he loves his PGO/miller shenanigans, so I doubt it. He also hinted that he was miller before everyone entered thread, so he probably is just a real miller.
Mago
I don't know what to think of his claim or the timing of it. He followed his scum meta DP1, and with his partner being a yakuza, he would need to survive that DP.
Mikal
His claim is interesting. Given that it's in the game, Banana clearly had no problem with it being scum. The question is if she gave it to scum or if it were designed to be a role that scum could pick up. If it's the latter, not Mikal.

Mag1c is pure big brain. I can see the strategy with him and Kohai at EOD. Goal was to get REF so they could kill two birds with one stone and the switch to Pie was theatric. I think this is unlikely though, and my townread of him during DP1 was pretty solid.
Theatrical? lol how?

Also, you referring to yourself in the 3rd person gives me the impression you may have copy-pasted this from the scum chat. If this is the case, I expect a higher-level player to be with you in scum chat. I don't think a lower-level player would help you write a convincing reads list. You don't need the help, but I think you would accept it from a higher-level player.

Wylted is an interesting one. He’s pulled this Miller ploy before when he was scum with Luna. They basically cruised to the win in that game. I can see the same thing here. Take the fake claims. Soft claim Dreamer early and then come out with Miller.
He did this before? Wait, as in he claimed miller at the start, or that he faked something, then claimed miller later?

Thoth also is interesting, but is reliant upon Wylted. In certain ways they’re intertwined. I don’t think Thoth can be the OG if Wylted is telling the truth about Miller.
This.

Mago I can see being the OG scum. He was in the shadows (normal scum meta). The dynamic between him the Kohai was non existent. The questioning about Yakuza also came off a bit disingenuous to me, especially with the side quest of Tailor. No reason to believe there’s a Tailor or anything similar
Yup. Although I don't find his tailor musings to be completely unfounded. It's worth exploring, especially since it existed last game. This one would have to function differently than the last, sure, but I don't blame Magoroth for exploring the idea.

Mikal is hard to judge as OG scum from posts. Only thing there to read is Kohai chose REX over Casey/Mikal initially. The role Mikal has though is really powerful for scum if used correctly. It basically reduces a town vote. At 3-2 LYLO, town instantly loses because they lose the ability to gain a majority. Magistrate is also an exotic role. We have Watcher, Miller, Doctor, Cop, and then a Magistrate?
True. Saying it again, Banana is ok with scum having this role. Question is if she wanted scum to have it from the start, or if it were something cool scum could pick up. I somewhat lean toward the latter on mod psych, as the role has plenty of usage on either town or scum that way. I know if I gave a scum a recruitment mech, I would try to give town roles that would be like prizes for mafia recruiters. But my mind is open.

As for all the power roles town has: I can see them all with a yakuza in play. A recruitment isn't a roleblock, but since you change someone's affiliation, you prevent them from outing you as scum DP2 if they have a result. And if night actions process how I think, scum's recruit target shouldn't be ruled guilty the night they were recruited. I am asking Banana about this. It's not just relevant here; it's also relevant for the case against you.
@Pie let's start with this post. First, there's a small chance that you are OG scum and just tried to gamble a watcher claim. Although it is unlikely bc your DP1 behavior does match watcher. Unless you picked up what I was putting down last DP and are playing to that as scum by claiming watcher.

OG scum pool: Mag1c, Pie, Magoroth, Mikal, Lunatic

Now let's build a recruit pool using incentives, using the OG scum pool.

Idk who you think I'd have the most to least incentive to recruit, so I'll leave it up to you.

If you're (Pie) OG scum, you're probably recruiting either Mikal, me, or Lunatic. Thoth is an option just to find out his role. Magoroth and Wylted are for mindgames only. But given the four candidates already here, I doubt you'd go for mindgames by recruiting Magoroth or Wylted.

If you picked up Thoth was investigative, then he's a fantastic option. Problem is, he's hard bussing you rn with results and I don't think he has to do that.

So me, Lunatic, or Mikal. I can't speak on myself outside of what I've already said; I know I'm town.

Lunatic or Mikal? Lunatic not bussing you would be sus. And you know that. So you're signing up to be bussed if you recruit him. That leaves Mikal. Best option for you IMO.

Although if Mikal and I are the only good options, maybe you would try some mindgames. Although yeah, Magoroth was sussed so that's even more mindgames. And Wylted doesn't have a good role to take, unless you genuinenly thought he was dreamer. hmm. Your posts seem to indicate you did. But you could also just pay Wylted a visit then. Although you'd risk him actually being a PGO. Not a bad risk to take considering the situation tbh. Odds seem low he was actually PGO.

Also for Thoth, why pressure him so much DP1 if you can just figure him out upon recruiting? Unless you were scouting for something to recruit? You (Pie) would've pressed even more people for info at that point tho... so I don't think that was your plan.

TEAM COMBOS IF PIE OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)
1Pie-2Mikal
1Pie-2Wylted
1Pie-2Lunatic
1Pie-2Thoth
1Pie-2Magoroth

Imma make a call and drop the bottom three for now. They just seem too unlikely to me.

And I'll get back to this later. Imma do some gaming
Getting back to this. Now let's assume Magoroth is OG scum. Who does he have the most incentive to recruit? Figuring out what Thoth's role is would be good, although Thoth isn't one of the site's strongest players.

Given that he was going for Pie last DP, it makes little sense for him to want Pie. He could, sure, but it's not what looks like his plan was. So from scum Magoroth's POV, he probably wants to recruit someone who helps him lynch Pie. If Thoth has an investigative, that could produce damaging results on Pie.

But Lunatic has been on Pie all game long. Why not him? The downside is that if he isn't investigative, then someone could clear Pie or show him guilty. Same goes for Mikal. I can see Magoroth misunderstanding the timing of investigatives in the order of operations, and then recruiting someone not realizing an investigative could still pop them. But that leaves the issue of Pie being cleared.

Unless Magoroth has framer. Then, he can recruit someone like Lunatic or Mikal, without having to recruit Thoth. I imagine Magoroth in particular would be less likely to visit Wylted, with his PGO mindgames. Unless Kohai picked up on it. But then they know he's a miller and wouldn't want to recruit him.

That presents another avenue for manipulation by the way. A deflector could take any role that targets Pie and move it to Wylted.

So, Lunatic, or Mikal? Mikal has just been replaced in. Lunatic will help mislynch Pie. I think Mikal is the slightly better option because Lunatic being on Pie is already guaranteed this DP, basically. While Lunatic was widely townread, that, in a way, means he's not as likely, due to mindgames. Mikal can get himself townread. And with town's focus on Pie, Mikal isn't going to be the next lynch.

TEAM COMBOS IF MAGOROTH OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)

1Magoroth-2Mikal
1Magoroth-2Lunatic
1Magoroth-2Thoth
1Magoroth-2Pie
1Magoroth-2Wylted

Once again, I think the bottom two are way too outside the realm of possibility.
Moving onto Mikal.

Once again, Wylted is a poor option. Unless Mikal thought dreamer. I guess Magoroth could have too. But then Wylted claiming miller when he did is just strange. He still claimed it before so many people did... but he could've asked about it using the questions format. I guess he's a mindgames option, but eh. Why not just disturb Wylted then? I don't think Magoroth or Mikal are as limited as Pie in their options, so going for mindgames with Wylted isn't as appealing for either of them.

Thoth, Lunatic, or Pie?

I can see Mikal using his voting role to throw a sus on Lunatic while ensuring he doesn't vote for Pie, hoping to save Pie that way. But if that were his plan, wouldn't he have concealed his ability and not claimed? So probably not Pie. But going for Lunatic ties both together. There's Thoth, who has an investigative, but can scumslip/tmislip easily.

Well, Lunatic and I did get away with stting up the easy win and we tied ourelves together. I can see Mikal taking Lunatic over Pie, over Thoth. I think Mikal in particular wouldn't want Thoth. He knows Thoth's potential to slip and knows it bluntly. But then again, if he's the OG scum, this looks like a plot against Pie.

I don't think he's take Magoroth based on him being sussed by me last DP.

TEAM COMBOS IF MIKAL OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)
1Mikal-2Lunatic
1Mikal-2Thoth
1Mikal-2Pie
1Mikal-2Wylted
1Mikal-2Magoroth

Lunatic:


He clearly thought Wylted was a dreamer according #450. Worth noting.


Magoroth bad option for reasons earlier stated.


He wouldn't go for Pie bc he has to bus Pie anyway. So Lunatic would go for someone who can help him mislynch Pie. Depends on what Lunatic thought THoth had. Wylted could help him with it if he thought Wytled was dreamer. And his buddy Mikal is always an option. Just replaced in, so not sussed, can get himself townread, and depending on what Lunatic has, they can just frame Pie or do some other manipuating.


I don't think Mikal used his ability when they were scummates. Only if Mikal was OG scum. It depends on how the yakuza works. But the threat of dreamer is extreme. But Lunatic could disturb Wylted. But that leaves Pie open to be cleared by investigatives. I guess he could argue that Pie shielded himself from investigatives. And deflect Pie to Wylted shuts down a dreamer and implicates Pie if Wylted's miller. But I don't think I want to bet on a deflector specifically. So odds are Lunatic would've been scared by the dreamer potential.


TEAM COMBOS IF MIKAL OG SCUM (RANKED IMO)

1Lunatic-2Wylted

1Lunatic-2Mikal

1Lunatic-2Thoth

1Lunatic-2Magoroth

1Lunatic-2Pie