Magoroth

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 07/10/2026 at 5:32 (post #171)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/6/2026 at 9:16 PM (post #169)

Alright, time to ramble... hopefully mostly coherently...

Luna - Those early uncertainties about night phases kind of looked town at first, though it comes off as just not having read the full OP, something I'm guilty of as both town and scum. I can largely get into his head so far, even if it's mostly NAI - variable perspective on mass claims, handling the speed of the game over 7 days, saying he'd check me with that n0 investigation - but the read list gives me more to dig into. A little light on his reads of Mag1c and Noah so far. A little unclear on why he has a light townread on Helz in part because he's sussing Magoroth for volunteering his own character so easily when Helz requested it, but it's enough to give me a slight townread.

On Helz vs Magoroth, fair callout, but they're not the same thing to me. Helz asking for flavor is the part I said I didn't love. Asking is fishing, though, and fishing can come from either side. My Magoroth lean isn't really about the MJ claim by itself. It's the claim plus the "idk why but I scumread this" VTL on Kohai right after. That's a vote with no reason attached, and it's the main thing I'm on him for. The claim is just extra.

Alittle extra on magic/ noah since you said the reads were light.

Mag1c: lean town still, the part I actually like is that he went back and pointed at Mag and Helz for the early character claiming. That's a real read on people actively posting, not just vibes.

Noah: null, I'm being careful bc he's new. The instaclaim was literally him copying Kohai, which he admitted, and that reads more newbie than scum. What I'm watching is that he said he was suspicious of me, then dropped it as soon as Mag1c said his townread was weak. That's pretty sheepy. Same with putting Shining at L-1 without seeming to know what a hammer was yet. Not scum stuff, just means I can't read him off much yet.

I doubt people can guess my role based on my character so I don’t mind claiming it tbh. It’s not exactly a role I’ve seen before lol

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 23:07 (post #65)

Are we planning on doing hours for those day phases?

I would be in favour of taking 48h or less for each day phase personally

24h would be better time wise but its really short

Also I feel like you mentioned Kohai invited you? In my first game the person who invited me to play Forum Mafia turned out to be scum lmfao.

Yes, I realise it’s a dumb reason but it’s better than nothing at this stage. I’m just trying to make a comparison for myself.

My ability to speak/reason seems to be impaired, probably cause it’s late here. It seems there’s only four of us around right now so I’ll go to bed and hopefully Thoth/Luna and other nocturnal peoples/Europeans (?) will have posted more by the time I wake up. Good night

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 23:05 (post #62)

Okay maybe this will help things move forward, Who do we believe to be the scums right now?

I suggested Kohai because of that one post

We should probs have as many lynches as possible. So maybe it’s an idea to set a time limit for each “day” phase

Originally Posted by Helz on 06/10/2026 at 22:47 (post #58)

Same thing with a different name. I think Mag is trying to put a peg on your experience level to get a vibe of how to read you. Someone who has played only a game or two has to be treated very differently than someone who has played thousands.

Yes

Originally Posted by Kohai on 06/10/2026 at 21:11 (post #31)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/6/2026 at 3:07 PM (post #30)

thank you helz

right now we are in a period called RVS (random voting stage). We are basically just trying to get a feel for folks and randomly vote.

Day 1, as you’ll learn, is mostly a crap shoot as we are working with nearly no information.

As the game progresses we can look back at these earlier stages and look at how people responded to pressure, claims, etc

idk why but I scumread this post

VTL: Kohai

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 22:44 (post #56)

Is that a bad thing, since I haven't played mafia before

No, it’s the same game

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 22:40 (post #53)

No I haven't, this will be my first game so I can learn.

Have you played Werewolf or any variants or IRL Mafia? Or is this your first Mafia game in general

Originally Posted by Helz on 06/10/2026 at 22:38 (post #50)

Interesting. Also interesting that he has not popped into chat if he has submitted N0 actions.

Any details on what that would do? It could also open doors for a cult to exist although I was told the game is not bastard and many consider alignment changing mechanics as bastard.

Oh I was just shitposting

Also I had the random thought that we should immediately mass claim roles and shit because scum won’t have the time to make coherent claims, but then I realised it’s a really shitty strategy of winning the game so I’d rather we didn’t do that. Also there’s no guarantee it’ll work

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 22:25 (post #45)

So when does the RVS actually take place, I have no suspicion of anyone as of now.

If you don’t mind me asking, have you played Mafia before?

Wait do I have to vote manually

VTL: Thoth

He tried to recruit me into the Islamic State

Basically we have to throw shit at the wall and see where it sticks... you latch on to whatever seems scummy even if it’s a stretch just to get the game going

Originally Posted by Helz on 06/10/2026 at 22:16 (post #42)

Mine kinda does. I guess I was accused in the scandal as a powerful person that was around it. Being a General followed by leading the country for a bit was mentioned.

What is the name of your flavor if I may ask?

I’m Michael Jackson

Originally Posted by Kohai on 06/10/2026 at 19:57 (post #8)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 1:43 PM (post #2)

How does the night phase works? What prevents the mafia from stalling out the night phase to use up some of our seven days?

Kinda wanna town lean you for this.

why

I guess my justification has nothing to do with Epstein either

Originally Posted by Kohai on 06/10/2026 at 19:44 (post #4)

hey all. Excited for this one.

SOP claim popular

Justificarion I’m Bill Clinton who remained high approval ratings even after the Monica scandal

but wtf does Monica Scandal have to do with Epstein?

Originally Posted by Savant on 03/10/2026 at 17:13 (post #38)

I'm kinda busy today so later on Tuesday actually works better for me as well.

Just for the record I have to work on Tuesday IIRC, so I will be active Wednesday IIRC

/in

Originally Posted by Thoth on 06/09/2026 at 3:48 (post #3)

Is this a game you are planning to run on here?

Yes

One quick thought while I’m back reading.

It seems very likely that Pie came into DP2 fully expecting not to make it into NP2. With the Yakuza recruitment going off on NP1, they very likely planned a hard bus on Pie, and it’s very probable they paid excessive attention to optics so as to ensure the converted person wouldn’t seem scummy; in other words there’s a decent chance Pie would’ve tried to interact with their converted target in ways you wouldn’t expect scum to do

Unfortunately this doesn’t really help me much because he did this with both of you, he called Mag1c confirmed Town and he continued the 1v1 with Lunatic a bit. It is possible he was trying to frame Luna by deliberately ignoring his posts (shit like “Your mind is set anyways” etc)

Actually the better question is why did y'all not vote me? Obviously this question is directed at Mag1c since I think he voted before Luna

Wait did y'all decide to vote? Why?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 04/09/2026 at 8:24 (post #1102)

Okay let's break things down a bit.

With magic, his early activity and investment was definitely his town meta. Obviously he would have been town dp1 no matter what, but you dont really see a drop off come day phase two. He maybe isn't as paranoid as I would expect of town magic, but his reads early were pretty accurate.

The biggest thing that can be used against him is his kind of buying into pies BS. Kind of hard to completely fault him or anyone for that in hindsight, even knowing pie was scum. He was claiming an investigative result and it seemed catered toward making magic town read him. Magic like me, was also pretty hard on pie dp1. I can see pie using that watcher result to garner town cred from magic. Sucking up to someone who scum reads you is something pie could do. He was doing it to me as well pretty much all of dp2, and would just say I was tunneling him whenever I wouldn't buy into his bs.

The thing with magic's role and the lie going into it about being roleblocked, I don't know. I can see what the intended strategy was, so I won't fault him for lying there since he technically didn't ever need to come clean about not being roleblocked. His "info" on mikal was pretty shoddy, I thought so from the start since a lot of it was made on presumed grammar about mikal's posting style when in actuality it was a null tell. The result trips me up with him being scum. I kind of expecting magoroth to start the day phase tunneling that, in which case I would have thought mago was scummier, but the fact that it hasn't been brought up is interesting.

I was town reading magic for that whole thing because I didn't think he would be do that as scum, I think he genuinely thought his result meant something there, and maybe got a bit tunnel minded on it. Also that's a lot of WIFOM to play into to go into a 1 v 1 death match in LYLO.

As scum he could of just thought no one would call his bluff in lylo, and he would probably be right, but at bare minimum that strategy just draws a ton of unwanted attention to himself. I don't see why he would do this as scum. He came into day phase 4 pretty paranoid sounding about being set up as a mislynch by being left alive.

So my gut tells me that magic isn't scum because I just don't see the strategy behind any of what he is doing. Magic is someone who I have a lot of respect for his scum game, especially after watching him in Ted Lasso. He is one of the most underratted scum players on the site. The whole thing with mikal really doesn't strike me as him just trying to grab a mislynch. Also I just played with magic as scum and I just don't see any blaring similarities in his play or deviances from his dp1 play.

Looking at mago, I do town read him as well, if I didn't I would have lynched him already, or would have helped pie lynch him to prove his role. With my recent though about pie maybe wanting to bus after being caught up by being "too linked" to kohai though, it is starting to make me consider the possibility that it was a bus even heavier. Pie knew he was cooked, his options were limited. Trying to gain mago town cred is probably the last play he could make. Like part of me feels like that is just way to simple to be the answer, and wants to dismiss that as pie just trying to get one more hail mary lynch off before he dies the next day, which is also in character for pie.

So the last thing I really want to talk about is the wylted kill. Why was he killed and who does that kill benefit the most?

Wylted had runs ins with both magic and mago.

Wylted had a couple of posts suggesting he thought magic was scum:

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=978

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?page=35&comment_number=980

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=983

So even if I behaviorally don't think magic was scummy, there is enough to suggest he has a lot of motive to kill wylted, as he wouldn't want to be in a LYLO situation with him. The same could be said about me since mikal kept saying he thinks wylted would vote me in LYLO, but I don't think he would have actually and never saw wylted really confirm that to mikal. Magic also said wylted could have been killed to set him up as a mislynch, so that is something I am heavily willing to consider as well, because that is definitely something pie could concoct with mago.

As far as mago goes, the same could almost be said for him.

Wylted says: "If you flip innocent I am going to pursue mago anyway. Don't think your death will be in vain if you flip guilty maybe not, but an innocent flip and I won't be able to see past him"

And Mago later responds "Why me"

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=767

Which could suggest paranoia around wylted in a LYLO situation with him.

He also was pretty adverse to wylted in DP2:

"I think Wylted is scummiest, I abandon what I said ab Mac1cman. Followed by IMO Mikal for basically stating he wanted to confirm himself noe that Yakuza is dead. This is the type of fake derp he drops as scum. Ofc its also possible its a genuinr mistale, idk how Yakuza works in general."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=597

The early adversity is also a reason he could have killed wylted thinking wylted would could have a past grudge on him, since he was also scum reading him back and they had a bit of a back and forth about it.

The WIFOM goes the same way against both players though so the idea that wylted was killed to frame someone is losing some legitimacy since a wylted kill could look bad for either of them.

I know my reply is very short, but your conclusion is basically you see us both as Town, correct? because not gonna lie that is exactly how I feel. It doesn’t feel like either of you is scum

There’s another possibility I hadn’t thought of.

I could see Pie recruiting Lunatic as a “fuck you” to him for outing him, I really could, a kind of ego trip or what not. And I distinctly remember Pie speaking completely differently with Lunatic than with Thoth, and Thoth flipped town.

I will be holding off on voting. I’ll reread D2 later. It’s possible I’m misremembering the interactions between Pie and others and I’m being unfair here.

So yeah, please don’t vote (or vote each other and save me the trouble of having to prove I’m Town)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 03/09/2026 at 14:34 (post #1077)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 9:15 PM (post #726)

I mean y’all can argue all you want, I’m down to call Pie’s gambit here because it would be really funny if it blew up in his fafe and outed his partner lol

Why were you down to call this gambit if you were lying about your role? Did you think people wouldn’t call you out on it? What is the benefit to this play from a town standpoint?

I couldn’t really stop at that point and reveal I was lying, or 1) it would have awfully seemed like a convenient lie since Pie was pushing me, and 2) I wanted them to think my role was real. So they would actually be afraid of hammering me if I was ever at L-1 and thus the other scum could be outed

@Lunatic I’m extremely close to voting Mag1c. If you’re scum I guess this is GG

I think I’m leaning Mag1cman just because he seems fake as fuck today same as the previous days

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 02/09/2026 at 19:59 (post #1066)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/2/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #1065)

Did you get a result?

”lol”

That was my result. I wasn’t going to trust it even if I got something.

… I don’t think I would’ve gotten anything useful anyway. Once they learn of my role, the obvious counterplay is to flood their own scum chat with useless, or worse, misleading messages.

or to say literally nothing

I still don't understand why they or rather HE spoke in chat night 2 at all