Magoroth

-- Cycle the following night actions until resolved: --

1. Redirector controls someone/

2. Bus Driver busses

3. Coward/Hider hides

4. Roleblocker role blocks

-- end cycle --


I will cycle the night actions involving these roles a random number of times from 2 to 4. 

If there are any cycles, I will run the odds of which night actions are likely to occur (as in, which swap/bus drive), and then randomly select which action goes through. 


Example:


{A = Bus Driver, B = Escort, C = Mafia}

A: Bus A/C

B: Roleblock C

C: Attack A


I RNG and find out I should run the night actions twice.


The current night action are:


A => {A}

=> {C}


B: => {C} (role block)


C: => {A}


First, the bussing happens:


A => {A}

=> {C}


B => {A}


C => {}


Then, the roleblocking is done:


A /=> {A}

/=> {C}

B => {A}

C => {C}


The bussing tries to run again and fails, as the Roleblocker is targeting the Bus Driver after the first cycle:


B => {A}

C => {C}


then the roleblocking again


B => {A}

C => {C}


there are no loops, the night actions are resolvable, so it ends with the escort roleblocking the Bus Driver, and the Mafia killing itself.

Magoroth

Lazy Mafia 6p

Magoroth · 6 months ago

Purely probabilistically, ignoring information, assuming a random Lynch every day, assuming there’s no CC:


Scenario 1:


60% chance of lynching town D1 -> 50% chance of lynching town d2 -> 30% chance scum wins by D2


Scenario 2a/b

4 v 2 -> 3 v 1 -> 2 v1 ->

60% chance of lynching town D1 -> 50% chance of lynching scum d2 -> 66% chance of lynching Town D3 (2v1) -> 10% chance scum wins D4, 10% chance Town wins D4


Scenario 3:

60% chance of lynching Town D1 -> 50% chance of lynching scum d2 -> 33% chance of lynching Scum 3 -> 10% chance


Scenario 4:

4v1 -> 4v0

40% chance of lynching Scum D1 -> 25% chance of lynching scum D2 -> 10% Town


Scenario 5:

4v1 -> 3v1 -> 2v1 -> 1v1

40% -> 75% -> 66% -> 50% = 4/10 * 3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2 = 10% Scum


Scenario 6:

4 v 1 -> 3v1 -> 3v0


...


Too many to list. I don’t think there are that many but I don’t wanna continue. From a purely random Lynch perspective (which doesn’t exist), I think the setup is balanced. I’ll think about this tomorrow.



Magoroth

Lazy Mafia 6p

Magoroth · 6 months ago


Helz wrote:
Intentionally not saying this in the sign up thread but really optimal play breaks down in towns favor in every way.

Lazy Sheriff reveals. Scum CC's or does not

If they CC they go 1v1 50% RNG followed by loosing a player the next night (if they win.) Bad gamble to take. Everything goes right they enter a 3v1 D3. If its wrong its a 4v1 D2

If they do not CC town plays follow the sheriff. He picks 1 townie to keep alive and they eliminate in order of scummy with a 60% RNG chance and days of information to conclude who the finalist will be.

I do not think scum has a chance in this one tbh.

Maybe scum should win a 2v1?

Magoroth

Lazy Mafia 6p

Magoroth · 6 months ago


Thoth wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
There isn’t one
Sounds like low-effort game design if you ask me

You mean lazy?

Magoroth

Lazy Mafia 6p

Magoroth · 6 months ago


Thoth wrote:
What is the difference between Lazy Mafioso and Lazy Godfather?

There isn’t one

Magoroth

Lazy Mafia 6p

Magoroth · 6 months ago

Role PMs


Lazy Town Sheriff


Description: You are a member of law enforcement who’s too fucking lazy to do anything.


Ability: You have the power to vote.


Lazy Town Citizen


Description: A lazy person who wants to lynch all criminals and evil doers, whilst sitting on his couch at home, eating chips.


Ability: You have the power to vote.



Lazy Mafia Mafioso


Description: You are the laziest man the Italian Mafia has to offer. How you’re even still in the Organisation and aren’t sleeping with the fishes is a mystery. You like to hang out with the Godfather and talk shit about the Cops.


Ability: Talk to the Godfather during the day, privately. You have the power to vote.



Lazy Mafia Godfather


Description: The cappo; the one and only, the King of the Couch Potatoes. You truly define the spirit of your organisation.


Ability: Talk to the Mafioso during the day privately. You have the power to vote.

Magoroth

Lazy Mafia 6p

Magoroth · 6 months ago


Lunatic wrote:
Lazy sherriff is basically just a confirmed townie unless maf are bold enough to 1 v 1 it with a counter claim

Yep

Magoroth

Lazy Mafia 6p

Magoroth · 6 months ago

A quick, easy, simple nightless Mafia game


Town -

1 Lazy Sheriff

3 Lazy Citizen


Mafia -

1 Lazy Mafioso

1 Lazy Godfather


No roles have night abilities or abilities of any kind.

Mafia has a private daychat.


On D1, due to a lazy bureaucracy, only 3 votes are required for a majority.


Lynch is mandatory every single day.

Days last 48 hours or until a lynch is achieved.

Win condition: Town must lynch the Mafia, Mafia has to achieve vote parity.

Magoroth


Lunatic wrote:

Thoth wrote:

Lunatic wrote:
Bro the day phase is over. Time limit ended. We almost didnt get a lynch off. literally rex hammered with two minutes remaining. Do better.
And you are whining now that you mislynched? You think that is preferable to no-lynching? Lmao do better
I didn't whine that I mislynched. I dont think we mislynched. Im still waiting on the flip.

I still don’t understand WTF there is to debate. Pie literally posts alignment at the end of the day. There’s “nothing” to “think”, there’s 0 reason for me to lie. I’d get outed literally at the start of the night. Why keep pretending? Makes 0 sense

Magoroth

Can you explain in what way you having a confirmed or near confirmed Town at, say, MyLo, assuming I lived that long, is worse than getting “information” from lynching said confirmed Town?


It also doesn’t help that this take isn’t really game related. Pretty scummy to talk about tactics and strategy ngl

Magoroth

It’s so retarded only Mafia players could come up with it.

Is it a good idea to look for info in case someone flips Town. Yes.

Is it a good idea to pick between flips that you aren’t sure of and default to the one with the highest information. yes

Does it mean you should Lynch Town because you’ll get “INFORMATION” out of it? What information do you get out of most Town flips that didn’t exist before the flip?

Magoroth


RexFavilla wrote:

Magoroth wrote:
But yeah Rex saying he’s confident I’m Town and then hammering me anyway at the end of the day is at best horrible play. At worst it’s scummy as fuck. If there are Cops or whatever check Rex tonight, thanks.

I've done this multiple times. I would literally lynch confirmed town if they were the only viable target. No lynching DP1 is retarded, and I will never sanction it. It starves town of information because it creates a norm where scum can noncommittally support wagons and then just let them fizzle out and renders post hoc analysis completely pointless. You NEED to follow through and lynch someone.

How does lynching a Town, a 100% minus to your win condition, get balanced out by fictitious information, which 99% of the time people don’t even know how to interpret it anyways?

Magoroth


whiteflame wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
If this is the case then Mag1c is likely Town. Not a super strong read because I think it’s possible to fake what he said w.r.t “the scum team isn’t here”.

Also and you can take this to be 99% true, there is at most 1 scum in Bullish and Mag1c. No way they’re both scum. Please take this advice because I have reasons for believing this but I don’t have time to go into detail

I appreciate the last minute thoughts. I agree, I don't think it's possible they're scum together, though I'm hesitant to say one of them is absolutely scum.

I don’t think one is necessarily scum BUT if there is scum there, I just cannot see both of them being scum.

Magoroth

Last but not least. My role card does not really mention other chemical elements. With a role like Caesium, which is so reactive it has to be stored in mineral oil or it reacts with EVERYTHING, I’d expect it possible that other elements get mentioned. I could also see this for Calcium but less so. It’s possible all claims ae just kinda generic and don’t mention other elements

Magoroth

I think this game is PR heavy. In PR heavy games it can often be a good idea to do a mass claim immediately so we at least KNOW what roles are possible.


Don’t want scum to claim some absurd shit and feed us false information. With early claims they are forced into a claim, so they can’t just tailor their claims around what causes the highest amount of chaos. They have to claim sub optimally (assuming they go for a big brain FPS play and don’t use their fake role claims)

Magoroth


Magoroth wrote:
Anyway that’s all. I’d appreciate it if someone actually replied to my posts, so I’d know if someone is actually reading this. I won’t care in the end though, I’ve done my job.
whiteflame wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
If this is the case then Mag1c is likely Town. Not a super strong read because I think it’s possible to fake what he said w.r.t “the scum team isn’t here”.

Also and you can take this to be 99% true, there is at most 1 scum in Bullish and Mag1c. No way they’re both scum. Please take this advice because I have reasons for believing this but I don’t have time to go into detail

I appreciate the last minute thoughts. I agree, I don't think it's possible they're scum together, though I'm hesitant to say one of them is absolutely scum.

Lol nice

Magoroth

Anyway that’s all. I’d appreciate it if someone actually replied to my posts, so I’d know if someone is actually reading this. I won’t care in the end though, I’ve done my job.

Magoroth

Banana lynching me doesn’t look super opportunistic but I still find it somewhat baffling. I don’t think she’s scum for it. Gun to the head Casey is probably inactive Town. I have no reason to believe this, just gut.

Magoroth

I am sorry I did not have better takes this game but it is what it is. I guess it’s my fault I got lynched.


Sorry for going so hard at you but I hate being lynched. It’s not your fault, you were right I normally have more takes.

Magoroth

If this is the case then Mag1c is likely Town. Not a super strong read because I think it’s possible to fake what he said w.r.t “the scum team isn’t here”.


Also and you can take this to be 99% true, there is at most 1 scum in Bullish and Mag1c. No way they’re both scum. Please take this advice because I have reasons for believing this but I don’t have time to go into detail

Magoroth

But yeah Rex saying he’s confident I’m Town and then hammering me anyway at the end of the day is at best horrible play. At worst it’s scummy as fuck. If there are Cops or whatever check Rex tonight, thanks.