Magoroth

whiteflame wrote:

Oh boy, this one should be fun. I am sadly not Magnesium, so my white flame won't shine bright this game. Still, I'll try to work with what I have. I do have a more than passing familiarity with the Periodic Table, though being a life scientist, probably less than most physical scientists have. Be interested to see how the Table was divvied out and I've got some thoughts on possible theme splits that I'll keep to myself for now.

First time I’ve been to read emotion in your posts. Not AI reading it, I think it’s a me thing.

Oh I missed Kohai’s post.

RexFavilla wrote:

VTL: Magoroth

Old habits die hard

Okay why did you feel the need to duplicate an RVS vote?

RexFavilla wrote:

There's no escaping little scumster.

So whats that supposed to mean? If I’m scum I’m supposed to just give up? Lol

Magoroth wrote:

Thoth wrote:

I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little

is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.

Do you know your alignment?

What happens if you try to take a night action. Have you asked? If your role is capable of receiving feedback, and you say “target X using my night action”, would you receive feedback?

Just my 2c but there’s a bunch of questions you could ask Pie.

RexFavilla wrote:

VTL Magoroth

Oh no he caught me help

Thoth wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

Do you know your alignment?

Yes, I am town. Is that a question? Lmao if I were lying I would just say I am town

True

Thoth wrote:

I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little

is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.

Do you know your alignment?

VTL: Mag1cman

He is scum.

whiteflame wrote:

Also, clearly have to be magnesium for obvious reasons. Just saying.

You know race cars used to be made out of magnesium. With DISASTROUS results.

/in

Neon is cool. It becomes metallic at unfathomably high pressures.

Silicon is cool because it’s a metalloid and it looks like aluminum foil.

Tellurium is cool because it’s odd like Silicon. It’s neither a metal nor a non-metal, but in between (but decently metallic for a metalloid). I think it used to be minted into coins?

Finally, mercury is unreactive. Obviously toxic but that’s not why I want to be Mercury. It’s semi-noble according to Wikipedia because it doesn’t really react with most acids and IIRC it doesn’t oxidise in air.

I’d like to be Neon, Silicon, Tellurium or Mercury if possible :)

Thoth wrote:

Let me save you the trouble. You saw my Discord status as online at a time when people are normally awake in my time zone, so you figured I was waiting for the game to start since I have admitted to preferring scum.

I do not remember this. When did you say you prefer being scum?

Mikal wrote:

Im also okay with just hammering thoth for memes. Little over 20 percent chance to be right [likely]

What makes you think he wouldnt just return from the grave if hammered

Thoth wrote:

I’m honestly starting to reconsider that scumread since this is Mikal we are talking about, but I’ll park my vote for now and watch as the day progresses.

I’ll soft that I am male.

I’m softing that your mother is male

Good afternoon lipspittles

Mikal wrote:

This is my issue. Not once did kohai care about this. Not one single time and was having reads based off who people were and was happy to be town read off the idea he was posting testing shit so much.

His tune only changed after people tracked his behavior to last game. Then its integrity. At least helz has a moral high ground. I still disagree that you can objectively ban angle shooting but he was at least honest about it. Kohai was not and did it until it bit him in the ass

Mikal wrote:

Also im not some asshat. I just have a low tolerance and threshold for grandstanding and playing the victim. You want to piss me off. Blame someone or victim feign when you are contributing makes my temper boil

Kohai had literally 0 issue posting from his account and saying who he was when he was townread. When he started playing like shit. It turned into an integrity issue and he wanted to blame the angleshooting and loss for doing the same shit he was participating in

Mod being mad when he allowed it after I took the time to ask before I even started angleshooting is also just as silly

The fact people are this pissed is just dumb. Yes the game will count. We will learn better and mods can structure rules better and learn from it.

There is no inherent rule breaking when the fucking mod confirms and allows it and every player in the game is fucking doing it, including mafia. Its only an issue when it backfires

Now we move on

My issue was with “whoever doesn’t claim who they really” are gets lynched. It looks really bad even knowing I allowed people to claim who they are. Like… lets say scum initially wanted to fake being someone else. Whats gonna happen when that rule changes? And then people are allowed to massclaim their actual identity?

It gives one side an unfair advantage. Yes, it’s my fault for allowing this, I hadn’t thought of that loophole.

And I overreacted when I attacked you so harshly, I am very sorry. When I get angry its like a flood of bullshit that I can’t control (just ask Helz).

With that being said. I still have issue with you asking me that question about anonymity then publicly declaring that you asked it to see if I would answer which would mean the two roles whatever weren’t in the game. I was very tempted to give Mafia a disguiser then and there.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

A-Llewella wrote:

Imo the healthy thing is to acknowledge bad stuff happened and take corrective action so it does not happen again.

The unhealthy thing is to excuse what happened and ignore the problem allowing it to happen again.

Im not trying to sit around and point fingers at people. I do want to point fingers at a pattern of issues that’s harmful to the communities growth

You have to take people who angle shoot with a massive grain of salt. I didn’t buy Mikal’s stance on Oberon for example but I don’t fault him for having it.

Exactly. It’s not like it provided an advantage lmaoo. People use mod psyche all the time. And OGI is subject to WIFOM as well. Like Mikal is more than capable of doing what he did as scum as well.

Tbh there was so much angle-shooting from Random that the slot was borderline town-confirmed. Like, yeah scum could angleshoot but it would be such a weird strategy.

Same reason a lot of sites disallow speculating over replacements (I personally think this is dumb but it’s for the same reason)

Lunatic wrote:

I should point out I wasn’t accusing you of using OGI, that one is 100% strictly on Mikal.

Some level of OGI is going to factor into reads even if people don’t admit it. I town read Rex last game for getting added in after the original 16 were added. Highly doubted scum would be added late. Turns out I was right lol

Yes. But you don’t mention it when yo see it. Other people may not have had the same insight, at least in principle. Obviously in this case it wouldn’t matter because who the hell would add scum post-game-start?

Like, it creates an unfair advantage if you do actually mention it.

Like. I don’t want to play Mafia as the host. Obviously I should’ve been careful and thought before answering, b

ILikePie5 wrote:

A-Llewella wrote:

Well let’s please seperate the issue of “people will know who others are” and the overt rule breaks of people hunting and talking about who they think people are.

These are separate concepts

I disagree. Luna’s entire read on me was based on who he “thought” I was. And anyone could’ve figured out from that read that he thought I was Pie.

This isn’t the same thing. Believe me. Obviously it’s hard to ignore information like that but it’s a world away from directly stating shit.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

Yes yes, I admit to making hosting mistakes. There. I agree with you on that. Did not give people the right to take advantage of grey areas like the account claiming thing.

And Mikal only took advantage of that because again, newsflash, you chose to answer it. If you’re not going to consider ramifications, you can’t blame the players. People ask about mechanics all the time in hopes of catching people in inconsistencies

Sure. I agree with you that I shouldn’t have answered it. But don’t you think there’s a difference between me slipping information because I’m dumb, as a result of an innocent question that I answered stupidly, and one that was DESIGNED (self-admittedly) to get me to slip information?

Lunatic wrote:

Number 1. Interesting name calling. Seems all you and Mikal are capable of is trashtalking and bullying others or trying to see how much shit you two can get away with. Very sad because I actually had some amount of respect for you.

You gonna flip out on me for something stupid don’t get mad when I call you out for it lol. I literally put more behavior analysis than any one in this god damn game, Carried the entire town on my back dp1, had accurate scum reads, and your gonna whine that I factored in people changing their profile before getting their role pms into the start of my play, when I just told you I wouldn’t have outright lynched anyone for it and it was mostly to get activity and reactions out of people. Yeah could care less.

Fucker literally has the audacity to say “no I’m going to count the game” after

If your gonna make a game with wierd ass rules and not going to consistently apply them, then that’s on you, or the people who signed up for your game and dedicated their free time to scum hunting and put hours of their lives into it.

Fucker literally has the audacity to say “no I’m going to count the game” after

As a host, a player having dumb reads should have no bearing on you or the game. Not sure what your point is. I am sorry you were deeply offended by Mikal’s reads?

Tried to bait information out of the host. I seriously wanted to modkill him or give scum a disguiser when he did that. Can’t believe none of you see any issue with this. And I say attempted to bait information because my reasoning why I even answered that question the way I did was, if these roles are in the game they can just privately tell they dont want ppl to use their actual accounts (because why the fuck would they?). So not only did he do something absurdly scummy where I basically have to play Mafia AS THE HOST to try to avoid slipping information, he was also straight up wrong. Good riddance!

If there is a question you don’t want to answer, don’t answer it. Simple problem simple solution. Middling should always be a last resort and for a serious rule violation not because you’re pissed off at a player. That’s a quick way to get people to never play your games.

Don’t fucking tell me what’s not possible in an anonymous game. I cut my teeth on a site where anonymous games were COMMON and people did not do any of the shit that was done this game, AND people wouldn’t reveal their own identities or try to hunt for others. One game - the second game I ever hosted - I even PM’d a player and asked him, have you figured out who anyone is yet? His response? I’m actually trying to ignore that as much as I can, but I know X and Y slots are A and B. Yes, you can actually play an anonymous game without being a douchebag. I habe done it. Please don’t try to sell that it’s not possinle because it’s a) boring and b) disprovable from my own experience.

I didn’t say it wasn’t possible, just that you can’t expect people to pretend like they don’t know who people are when the stick to the same posting styles, same posting schedules, and same behaviors. We are a small community that have played with each other for years, it’s pretty easy to tell who is who most of the time. But I was wrong on a few people still.

People did break the rules. They even stretched the rules with shit that should obviously not be okay, or that 99% I wouldn’t allow. Why the hell would I allow people to mass claik their account names and lynxh the liars? There is literally no way this isn’t angleshooting. If the rules changed midgamr, scum were operating on the assumption that the rules WOULD NOT change. So that literally creates information where there is none or should be none.

You had inconsistent answers in regards to your rules and I pointed them

out multiple times. You say one thing then immediately back track it. Again more dumb rules make more dumb rule breaks. Be consistent next time and have less arbitrary bull shit rules and it will be easier to follow them.

I should point out I wasn’t accusing you of using OGI, that one is 100% strictly on Mikal.

Yes yes, I admit to making hosting mistakes. There. I agree with you on that. Did not give people the right to take advantage of grey areas like the account claiming thing.

Yes yes, I admit to making hosting mistakes. There. I agree with you on that. Did not give people the right to take advantage of grey areas like the account claiming thing.

Yes, thieves do tend to think the rules are for retards and people who obey them are just wusses.

Also. Given the reactions on this thread. And how butthurt people are getting at me saying the rules were broken and Mikal’s audacity at saying he will count the game. Are you surprised that I was lenient? At least some players would’ve fucking left or gotten angry if I tried to enforce the rules.

Lunatic wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

So, hopefully this game is a learning experience and people will try obeying the rules

No one was breaking fucking rules, if you had applied inconsistent answers about rules. You can't expect people to not guess at people's identities, and factor them into analysis. Impossible. We do that every game. At most you can expect us to RP about it which I tried to do and just refer to people as their in game name but if someone asks me why I scum read someone, and a behavior from a past game indicates them being scum to me, I should be able to point that out. Forcing town to like and convolute reasons for scum reading people is retarded. Its why I identified caine having a different play style this time then last time. Dude didn't have to tell us he was kohai for it to be obvious he was kohai. Not to mention the fact he kept fucking up and posting from his other account despite crying about breaking the rules ever five seconds.

Yall need to get your panties out of a bunch about the "rule break" bull shit. Have less shitty rules if you want less rule breaks.

People did break the rules. Maybe stop being such a 4chan incel and using “retarded” lamguage like “getting your panties in a twist”. You sound like a 14 year old teenager with that kind of language

Lunatic wrote:

No I agree. That was trash.

Dont give a fuck you both can cry me a god damn river. Bitches.

Number 1. Interesting name calling. Seems all you and Mikal are capable of is trashtalking and bullying others or trying to see how much shit you two can get away with. Very sad because I actually had some amount of respect for you. I did for Mikal as well but I now see that respect was misplaced. Fucker literally has the audacity to say “no I’m going to count the game” after

1. He literally had no reads most of this game and just angleshot half the fucking game to get actual information (and in some cases the information he angleshot was straight up wrong; like the Oberon modkilling thing)
2. Tried to bait information out of the host. I seriously wanted to modkill him or give scum a disguiser when he did that. Can’t believe none of you see any issue with this. And I say attempted to bait information because my reasoning why I even answered that question the way I did was, if these roles are in the game they can just privately tell they dont want ppl to use their actual accounts (because why the fuck would they?). So not only did he do something absurdly scummy where I basically have to play Mafia AS THE HOST to try to avoid slipping information, he was also straight up wrong. Good riddance!
3. Don’t fucking tell me what’s not possible in an anonymous game. I cut my teeth on a site where anonymous games were COMMON and people did not do any of the shit that was done this game, AND people wouldn’t reveal their own identities or try to hunt for others. One game - the second game I ever hosted - I even PM’d a player and asked him, have you figured out who anyone is yet? His response? I’m actually trying to ignore that as much as I can, but I know X and Y slots are A and B. Yes, you can actually play an anonymous game without being a douchebag. I habe done it. Please don’t try to sell that it’s not possinle because it’s a) boring and b) disprovable from my own experience.
4. People did break the rules. They even stretched the rules with shit that should obviously not be okay, or that 99% I wouldn’t allow. Why the hell would I allow people to mass claik their account names and lynxh the liars? There is literally no way this isn’t angleshooting. If the rules changed midgamr, scum were operating on the assumption that the rules WOULD NOT change. So that literally creates information where there is none or should be none.