Helz wrote:
Until we know if anti claim functions exist I suggest we slow down on throwing around information about claims.
About as far as I am willing to edge on the subject.
I feel like Thoth’s role is, in itself, an anti-claim mechanic of some sort. Maybe.
My reads at this point are a town lean on Whiteflame’s post, the one thay everyone picked up on, and null on everyone else.
I wanna make something happen. Maybe I should claim something bonkers to spice things up.
@RexFavilla are you scum?
Thoth wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
I claim that I am a metal in the astronomical sense.
Mercury?
No. Astronomers call all elements heavier than hydrogen and helium metals.
Mikal wrote:
I also dislike bullish but that's just because of low effort. He usually seems more engaged as town from what I remember but he is also always busy
Town lock
Myself
Kohai
Town lean atm
Wf
Mag
Skep
Odd / scum
Bullish
Thoth
Neutral
Helz
Shining
Im sure im missing people but that's the ones that have stuck out to me in some way
Bullish wasn’t very active last game. Mag1cman was trying to pretend to be Bullish so he coukd get away with being less active. So I assume this lack of activity is NAI for Bullish
Kohai wrote:
Casey_Risk wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I don’t think speculating about theme splits will be productive until we see at least one flip, maybe more than one. There are too many plausible ones.
I agree fwiw, theme split analysis without at least one flip rarely, if ever, benefits the town
Perhaos we could claim if we are a metal or a gas
I claim that I am a metal in the astronomical sense.
Kohai wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Hmmm, Kohai is being retarded might be up for killing him. Helz also strikes me as a bit scummy right now.
1. Nice OMGUS
2. Explain how I’m being retarded
3. I guarantee you that I’m never going to get lynched this game
What if you got dayvigged? If I hypothetically had the power to dayvig you rn, what would you say to that?
Kohai wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Hmmm, Kohai is being retarded might be up for killing him. Helz also strikes me as a bit scummy right now.
1. Nice OMGUS
2. Explain how I’m being retarded
3. I guarantee you that I’m never going to get lynched this game
What if you got dayvigged? If I hypothetically had the power to dayvig you rn, what would you say to that?
Anyway, I’ve exhausted all my brain cells for today. I’ll read what everyone else has posted later tomorrow. I may continue to post for now but don’t expect any great takes from me.
Thoth wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Tbh I don't get the Mago wagon.
Nor do I. I just have a bad feeling about him.
if I was scum, I would be so annoyed by this statement lol
Bullish wrote:
Do you think Mago could be over compensating?
Just ask your mother.
Mikal wrote:
Initial impression is I wonder if this is a creative way to do innocent child since it's triggered by a specific day
And why did you have to mention this?
whiteflame wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
I bet if I told some people here details of my personal life they would cry.
Sounds rough man. Hope things are at least stabilizing.
Thanks. I was mostly talking about the past. I’m not special or something, just don’t understand why I’m not allowed to complain I get scumread a lot as town or I’m a snowflake for some reason.
I bet if I told some people here details of my personal life they would cry.
Bullish wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
Bullish wrote:
whiteflame only cares about 3 elements
Dunno what this means. Why is it I only get highly suspected at the start of the game when I’m Town?
You aint special
Why is it every time I say something someone has to “hit me with a truth bomb”?
Ok with a Mag1cman vote at this point. Reasonable arguments
Thoth wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
Thoth wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
Mafia Loyal Vigilante
Mafia Simple Doctor
Traitor
What are these roles?
“Loyal” is a modifier that prevents a role’s ability from being used on those of a different alignment. Basically, a Loyal PR that targets someone roleblocks themself if that target isn’t the same alignment.
Simple means it can only target Vanilla.
Traitor is Lost Wolf
So the Mafia had an extra kill which they could only use on another Mafioso? Did they know about their ability modifiers? Was the Doctor compulsive?
Yes they did and no Doctor wasn’t compulsive
It was only there so that if a role checked a Doctor at night they would think, oh look, hes a doctor so he must be Town!
Thoth wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
Mafia Loyal Vigilante
Mafia Simple Doctor
Traitor
What are these roles?
“Loyal” is a modifier that prevents a role’s ability from being used on those of a different alignment. Basically, a Loyal PR that targets someone roleblocks themself if that target isn’t the same alignment.
Simple means it can only target Vanilla.
Traitor is Lost Wolf
Bullish wrote:
whiteflame only cares about 3 elements
Dunno what this means. Why is it I only get highly suspected at the start of the game when I’m Town?
Thoth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Either makes sense. Depends on the roles in play.
Have you ever seen 9-4?
I have. My first MS game. People did not know 9/4 was possible. Town was at MyLo D3. Granted, the setup was very interesting.
Mafia Loyal Vigilante
Mafia Simple Doctor
Traitor
and some other role I can’t remember rn.
Helz wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little
is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.
So... hmmm...
On the one hand, I want to just townread this because it's such a weird pull. I'm not familiar with Oganesson (it was only discovered in 2002 and in general any of the ones listed under the "unknown properties" section of the table is beyond my limited knowledge), but it's an odd part of the Table to grab from, especially if you're looking for a fake claim. There are probably 3 scum in this game so it's possible that one of them would just go for it rather than waiting to ask questions, but this doesn't seem obvious, nor does the whole "I discover my role 4 DPs in" aspect. It's weird that that's so delayed, but in a game with this many players, reaching DP4 is pretty likely.
On the other hand, I don't get this as an SOP claim. It's an unknown role, not an SOP one. Maybe this is just Thoth being extra cautious, or maybe this is him trying to give himself some towncred out the gate in hopes he'll avoid investigations. I don't like the decision, even if I kind of townread the claim itself.
So my challenge this game is that I can't use flavor at all which now seeing more setup details I am unhappy about. On the mechanics side though I think a claim is NAI given the scum team is given questions to verify. Also given that Mafia could ask about specific elements there could be some sort of anti-claim function in the mafia roles. Players may want to be careful about declaring what they are until we know more about what kinda PR madness we are dealing with.
Self imposed challenge?
Thoth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
If there are 3 scum players (as balance would suggest there are) and we lynch them all back-to-back, we never reach DP4. I'd call that extremely unlikely, but no, it's not guaranteed we reach DP4.
10-3 strikes me as townsided. Are you thinking 9-3-1?
I personally don’t find 10/3 Townsided. Depends
Okay. I feel like that is everything that should be discussed at this point about Thoth’s role. Any further discussion will be antitown.
Thoth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Also also, are you saying that your role is currently active and that you'll learn what it is by DP4 or that it will activate by DP4?
I have a role that was determined before the game started. I will learn what that role is at the start of DP4. This role has at least one ability. These abilit(y/ies) may be active or passive. It might be active now or it might not be. Pie won't tell me anything else about my abilit(y/ies) until DP4 starts. That's what I got between reading my PM and interrogating Pie.
Oh cool. I missed this message too.
Are you allowed to submit night actions? Just to make everything clearer for me, your ability, if it exists, is NOT targeted, correct?
Thoth wrote:
Unknown could be SOP. Imagine how pissed people would be if I turned out to be Paranoid Gun Owner. And while y’all are at it, don’t put me at L-1 unless you intend to lynch me, on the off chance I am Hated.
So this is why you decided to claim?
So let me get this straight. You have a 100% unambiguous confirmation that you have no night action?
For my benefit, could you summarise everything you know about your role?
A bunch of thoughts:
a) Whiteflame did not say he was Town. On one hand, yeah kinda scummy? On the other hand if he was scum he would probably be more careful and say “yes”, maybe even woulda jumped at that word even more attentively than he did here.
b) He could be annoyed at the question because he doesn’t like rolling scum and rolled scum this game I guess?
whiteflame wrote:
So are you Town this game?
I do tend to enjoy being Town more, but you know my answering this question doesn't make any difference.
I’m not sure exactlt what I expecting. Nothing in particular really. But I think that statement looks townie. Hence why I asked you that question.
I’m unsure how scum you would react to that question
Kohai wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Oh boy, this one should be fun. I am sadly not Magnesium, so my white flame won't shine bright this game. Still, I'll try to work with what I have. I do have a more than passing familiarity with the Periodic Table, though being a life scientist, probably less than most physical scientists have. Be interested to see how the Table was divvied out and I've got some thoughts on possible theme splits that I'll keep to myself for now.
First time I’ve been to read emotion in your posts. Not AI reading it, I think it’s a me thing.
I'm planning on enjoying this one and posting more often, so hopefully it won't be the last time.
NGL early town lean on wf for this post.
So are you Scum here Kohai and trying to jump out at something that is very easy to town read?
whiteflame wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Oh boy, this one should be fun. I am sadly not Magnesium, so my white flame won't shine bright this game. Still, I'll try to work with what I have. I do have a more than passing familiarity with the Periodic Table, though being a life scientist, probably less than most physical scientists have. Be interested to see how the Table was divvied out and I've got some thoughts on possible theme splits that I'll keep to myself for now.
First time I’ve been to read emotion in your posts. Not AI reading it, I think it’s a me thing.
I'm planning on enjoying this one and posting more often, so hopefully it won't be the last time.
So are you Town this game?
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little
is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.
So... hmmm...
On the one hand, I want to just townread this because it's such a weird pull. I'm not familiar with Oganesson (it was only discovered in 2002 and in general any of the ones listed under the "unknown properties" section of the table is beyond my limited knowledge), but it's an odd part of the Table to grab from, especially if you're looking for a fake claim. There are probably 3 scum in this game so it's possible that one of them would just go for it rather than waiting to ask questions, but this doesn't seem obvious, nor does the whole "I discover my role 4 DPs in" aspect. It's weird that that's so delayed, but in a game with this many players, reaching DP4 is pretty likely.
On the other hand, I don't get this as an SOP claim. It's an unknown role, not an SOP one. Maybe this is just Thoth being extra cautious, or maybe this is him trying to give himself some towncred out the gate in hopes he'll avoid investigations. I don't like the decision, even if I kind of townread the claim itself.
I hadn’t considered the possibility he is lying. If he’s telling the truth, I think it says a bunch of stuff about the setup that it would probably be unwise to discuss…
