there is only power, and those too weak to obtain it.
there is only power, and those too weak to obtain it.
A priori deductive reasoning is reasoning true before any observations are made. Such reasoning starts from basic definition and deduces from it by law of identity and law of equation (A = B, B = C, A = C).
P1. Divine being which comes into existence out of nothing will come into existence out of nothing even if such divine being didnt exist before.
P2. If such divine being will come into existence out of nothing, such being exists
C. Divine being exists.
Now, there is not much to disagree with any of these premises. P1 is just basic law of identity. Coming into existence out of nothing means "nothing --> something". P2 is likewise just basic law of identity. And C logically follows.
Divine being which comes into existence out of nothing is possible, as there is no any logical obstacle to it. But another problem for atheists is that any obstacle put in place to prevent "nothing --> something" can likewise have some possible being capable of overcoming that obstacle.
Christians are not able to prove that they are believers or people of faith.
I simply lack belief that I lack belief in God.
Seems reasonable to infer that some of them aren't going to believe in God
If by reasonable, you mean "this feels good", sure.
The first puts us in line with reality far more often than not
Sounds like unproved claim.
, the latter leads to a state of complete absurdity where you would hold basically no understanding of the world because if you can’t accept basic assertions people make, even about their own mental state, then essentially nothing could be proven unless you witness it yourself
Another unproved claim. A priori reasoning requires no witnessing anything.
Your entire model of the world falls apart because the overwhelming majority of what we understand about the world apart from our direct experiences comes from what other people tell us
Great, another unproved claim. Really, you guys dont even bother proving your claims. Your entire logic is using one unprovable claim to defend another unprovable claim. I guess they dont teach deductive reasoning in schools, but I say they should, given how bad people are at it.
and the default position being that we believe what people tell us regarding their own mental state unless we have reason not to
Good luck proving that.
To disregard them is to disregard logic itself
No.
If by “prove” you mean “provide a valid and sound justification”, that I did, perhaps you should read it.
I am sure you think so, but all you did was point out other unprovable claims, which isnt absurd because it isnt contradiction.
If anyone wants to present proof that atheism exists, dont be shy!
Whether something is wanted and whether something is profitable are two different things.
People dont pay for only profitable things, but I guess not much point in debating someone who thinks firing 1 federal worker will reduce government expenses enough.
So much for proving that atheism exists.
I would appreciate a counter-argument.
Why would people lie about being an atheist and condemn themselves to eternity.
Maybe they think God will reward them if they lie about being atheists.
Fun guy.
Who do you think is going to look out for the poor and elderly? They can't afford private services, that's the whole point.
If they worked properly and made savings, they could afford everything. If they chose to be wasteful and lazy, I dont see why you would want to reward or encourage that.
Who do you think is going to build roads and bridges? Where's the profit in that? The isn't any, that's why government does it.
Government doesnt build roads. Private workers build roads. Government just takes money from people and gives it to private workers so they build roads.
So if you say people wouldn't want to pay for roads otherwise, you are conceding that such service by government is unwanted.
Which is still 2%. Which still means gutting the federal workforce does nothing to address 98% of government spending, which means the benefit to all of this upheaval is minimal at best.
I think you dont understand. the goal isnt to reduce government spending to zero. Just to reduce it.
That's not the way it works. The money that goes out is codified into law. That obligation doesn't disappear because there are no workers, it only gets delayed
If there is no one to pay for services or deliver them, then services arent payed for. Delayed services save money too.
The whole point of government services is that these are things which are needed that the private sector does not have incentive to offer.
Every profitable thing, private sector has incentive to offer. Now, if you say we should do non profitable things, then that just reduces profit and slows down economy and buisnesses and reduces wealth and production because resources are wasted on non-profitable things. this is true a priori, you dont need any observation to know this. It is basic logic.
Reason why private sector doesnt offer what you want it to offer is because: 1. People have no obligation to give you free stuff. 2. Government prevented private sector from acting.
So if you argue people have obligation to give you free stuff, I am afraid that is not true. Property rights just like body rights are true a priori. No one can steal property whenever he feels like being charitable with other people's money.
You have already convinced yourself that hell is better.
Yes. Anything is better than hoping to spend eternity with homophobic celibate Jesus. Did you know there is no sex in heaven?
How can you call hell blessed? Hell is cursed.
I will know when I go there, but so far I only heard good things about Hell. All my friends will go there.
Do you believe God is good?
No, but Satan can be nice if you get to know him better. I think you didnt give Satan a chance.
I like furries better than people.
I want to end in the blessed fire of Hell for eternity, as Satan promised. Also, Satan promised me 500 sex demons, which is great.
The federal workforce is something line 2% of total spending
Which is 150 billion dollars per year. But some services shut down too, which saves more money. I am not saying its a perfect way, but it is the only way to force cutting down expenses. Sometimes you have to be extreme. Alternative is to keep spending high and harm economy because bunch of retards in government oppose every attempt to cut on healthcare and social security. Yes, cutting spending means you lose government services. It must be done, or USA will never become decent to live in. Government services are always more expensive and of lower quality than private services, because YOU PAY for government services through taxes and inflation, and you pay for them in taxes more than their price on private market. Its a socialist scam. Population can only become richer if production increases, and that is only possible in private economy. Harming private economy by trying to fix social issues with other people's money is the characteristic of every failed socialist country out there. Economy is about production, and re-distribution only costs money and produces nothing, and also reduces productive powers.
When I was a kid, life was so simple. I often miss the days when I didnt do overthinking, constant arguments and competitive games. I actually tried playing games I played in childhood, but I dont find them as good anymore. But I still enjoy drawing, even tho now I draw symmetry symbols. I dont like the idea that people change over time, but it is true. You are a different person than you were before. You have different goals and different things make you happy.
I think person is entirely defined by goals. Person is basically set of goals and memories. Once goals change, person becomes different person. I also read that all atoms in body eventually change, so you are literally different person than you were before even if your goals dont change.
Acts 18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
I didnt say your defense of Bible was bad, it was good. It only made Jesus look horrible. So while I consider Jesus as God, I cant accept Bible because it is either a lie either makes Jesus look horrible.
So people can lie about being atheist too.
thats actually a brilliant move by trump. He tried his best to reduce government spending, but then he realized he can just shut down the government and end spending. Its much faster than getting democrats to agree to cut spending. USA already has low spending to GDP, but this move will reduce it further and give big boost to economy. the only disadvantage is that government cant invest in buying means of production anymore.
You only know if a person is an atheist if he says he is
I say I am God. So if you believe everything people say, you must believe this too.
God at trolling.
Yes, there is evidence that atheists exist, as shown by global surveys and studies that report significant percentages of self-identified atheists in populations worldwide
thats not proof of atheism. thats just proof people who say they are atheists exist.
The proof that atheism exists is its existence
So no proof.
Trump wants option for a 3rd term
In terms of economy, he is great. Everything else? Not so much.
So I was in a chat with a guy, and he told me:
"I am an atheist. I dont believe in claims which have no evidence."
And I said: Alright then. "I am an atheist" is a claim. Do you have evidence to support it?
He said: "I just told you I am an atheist!!!"
And I respond: I could tell you that I am God. Do you believe everything people tell you?
In the end, the person couldnt prove that he is an atheist.
So I ask here, can anyone prove to me that atheism exists?
You can’t masturbate and pray to God at the same time
Yes, you can. I think of God all the time because I am a strong believer.