Sidewalker

just let me know and I will send you a picture of me to use as the background,

Are you trying to tell us you don't look like a tiny Trump on a tank? I don't believe you.

I actually look more like a Chippendales dancer.

"Smart people don't like me" - Donald Trump (Speaking about Democrats)

The only way I can see people thinking that is that they are just uninformed. 

"I love the poorly educated" - Donald Trump (Speaking about his base)

You're still whining like a little bitch about Barack Obama, news flash for you...he is no longer President.

He's still black though, and I know that's what upsets you most, but he hasn't been President for 17 years, and all that racist hatred is gonna eat you up.

it's time to get over it and get a life.

Good minion, you get a cookie.

https://guneducationalinformation.weebly.com/

Here is the truth about gun control. Please educate yourself.

I know its not laid out in simple soundbytes, but it takes a lot to unpacked the stubborn warped ideas of you and your ilk.

Great article, the gun fetishists will say the solution to all of those issues is more guns.

President Trump is now the most frequently targeted president in the history of the United States. 

Yes, he's set yet another Presidential record, adding most assassination attempts to most felonies, most impeachments, most insurrections, most lies, most sexual assaults, most corrupt, most unconstitutional, I think he's going for gold in the decathlon of terrible Presidents, just two more firsts and he will be the US GOAT of terrible Presidents.

He's already been inducted into the Hall of Shame of Horrible Leaders, proudly standing alongside other inductees like Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot Joseph Stalin, King Leopold II, Genghis Khan, Timur / Tamerlane, Francisco Solano López. Ivan the Terrible, and Saddam Hussein

I'm sure that you and his other MAGA minions are proud.

Trump has been an inspiration to evil everywhere.

trump is not a pedophile. All his victims were over 13 so far.

Then why did he have so many frequent flyer miles on Epstein Airlines

Pedophile is by definition someone attracted to average pre-pubescent children. So thats like under age 11 in most cases. But trump's youngest victim was 13. So assassin was terribly uneducated on even basic terms, another victim of american education system.

Since you are an expert with a lot of experience, maybe you should be teaching classes on pedophilia.

The Trump echo chamber is all about divisiveness, manufactured outrage, and violence,

So Trump is basically SPLC.

No, Trump is head of a white supremacist movement called MAGA, he promised them he would use his own personal justice department to go after their enemies, SPLC is the primary enemy of white supremacists and is therefore under attack as promised.

I stretch, don't hum and take paracetamol very occasionally to ease virally induced pain in the lower back and hips, which usually occurs once or twice a year and typically lasts for about a week.

If I'm taking Tylenol only once or twice a week, I consider it a good week.

I probably won't take up humming, but I find that swearing is great for stress relief.

Well yeah, I think we all use swearing for stress relief, in fact, I was at Target buying a shirt yesterday and they had a big sign over the department that just said, "men swear", that's direct and to the point.

In fact, I think that I would find humming stressful.

Hmmmmmm, interesting, hmmmmmmm.

Then Bible cannot be the infallible word of God to you andnyuur source of.truth is entirely outside it even if some truth ends up inside it.

The Bible was written over a period of more than 1,500 years, by over 40 different authors in three different languages, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. The 40 authors lived in multiple different cultures, across three continents, spanning over a dozen different modern countries, and came from all walks of life: shepherds, farmers, tentmakers, physicians, fishermen, priests, philosophers and kings.

As far as what most would consider the most important part, the words and teachings of Jesus, the original texts were translations from spoken Aramaic into written Koine Greek over 40 years later.

Aramaic, Hebrew, Koine Greek, Latin and English is a rough approximation of the journey that had to be taken to arrive at an English translation of the Bible. All of these languages use different words, syntax and grammatical structures. Translation from one language to another always results in an inexact interpretation of words, meanings, and context. Even within a single language, words are very inexact, ambiguous and equivocal and they can have multiple meanings or different meanings to different people.

Given that these are the facts about the Bible, how on Earth can it be the infallible word of God? How exactly would that happen?

Trump was "registered" as a Democrat for a long time, too.

Didn't make him a radical, or a "real Democrat."

Trump isn't a Democrat or a Republican, he is an Autocratic cult leader that doesn't believe in Democracy, hence, no need for parties, elections or votes.

Your generation is soft, back in my day an assassin could hit a President and a Governor in a moving car shooting through a tree with a single magic bullet...these punk-ass clowns today can't hit a fat lardass standing still.

I think it's 'Trumps actions and words, not words from Democrats that have caused many of the assassination attempts.

Of course they are, I don't know about this latest guy, but on the first two assassination attempts, the first assassin (Butler PA) was a registered Republican, the second was registered as Unaffiliated. No Democrats involved.

The Trump echo chamber is all about divisiveness, manufactured outrage, and violence, he made this bed that he now has to sleep in.

How about the front page says "DebateCraft featuring Sidewalker", just let me know and I will send you a picture of me to use as the background,

Om (or Aum) is practically how you'd spell a hum.

Last couple of years I think my anxiety/stress has increased, and one of the ways I believe my body/emotions is responding that is to sigh/moan more when laying in bed and cant sleep.

So sighing/moaning is likened to humming, yet differrrent frequency then happy humming song while working etc. I definitely need to get happy humming more back into my life cause I know I have been there at times. I think two surgeries have caused some of my increased stress.

When I'm real sick, I make a low humming sound every time I exhale, my wife says I'm purring like a cat, now I have an excuse, I'm not purring, I'm stimulating my vagus nerve to get well.

Ive always made money --not much-- via my physical abilities and starting with sciatic nerve issues in leg some 10 years ago, I feel now that im falling apart and recently did work on house, and called out of work from too overworked deltoid muscle ---swollen and in pain--, and doctors letter excusing me for two weeks, etc ahhhh vs hummmm ....O....

Yeah, getting old sucks, (it's better than not getting old though), I can do a little work in the yard or minor lifting and by night I'm sore as hell, next day it's even worse. I use one of those frozen ice packs all the time and I eat Tylenol like they're M&Ms.

Also, old injuries that healed 30-40 years ago come back to haunt you, that really sucks. If I had a do over and could change one thing, I wouldn't have played rugby, I think it was the eight years of rugby that made me such a decrepit old man today.

Interesting, this makes me think about meditation mantras, meditation stimulates the vagus nerve and most mantras seem to cause a vibration similar to humming,

Om (or Aum) is practically how you'd spell a hum.

Spacetime is just the mathematical coordinate system of the theory of Relativity

Fine, SD, tho that doesnt address some of the points Im asking

1} is Gravity a force of mass-attraction?

Yes, it is one of the four fundamental forces recognized by physics.

A lot of people want to say it’s not a force because General Theory of Relativity (GTR) shows it to be emergent, but so what. If you want to be picky about it, all four of the fundamental forces are emergent. If you choose to say “Interaction> rather than “Force”, but F=ma is still going to be a fundamental formula that is used in physics, probably more than any other formula science uses.

2} If not, then then like my messsage says that others, say, mass-curves spacetime, tho if spacetime is the math coordinates and not and occupied space/mediume of force, the what is that bring to masses together? Understand SD?

It’s the force of gravity that brings any two objects with mass together. Spacetime is an abstract mathematical concept that is useful for physical theory, but that doesn’t change the fact that human beings experience the three dimensions of space, and one dimension of time as separate.

In practice, you will experience where you are spatially and when you are temporally, you will never experience spacetime, human beings will never travel at the speeds or be in the gravitational fields where spacetime is necessary to explain their experience of gravity. The concept of spacetime is mathematical rather than ontological. We can think about mathematics, but we still have to live in the real world.

3} it space or time or spacetime is an occupied space medium, then yes it can be warped curved inward by mass, and two or masses get in this curved/warped space or time or spacetime, pulled-inward to each, not by some force called mass-attracitive Gravity. I dont like that idea, yet im running with it till some clearly explains what mass is warping. Understand?

I don’t know what it means to say “space or time or spacetime is an occupied space medium” and also don’t know why putting that label on them precludes gravity from being a mass-attractive force. I’ve never really understood your idea of “occupied space”, can you tell me what it is about this thing you call “occupied space medium” that allows gravity to warp space but doesn’t allow it to be a force of attraction?

4} some say or is this underlying substrate called aether, that, no evidence exists, and other tell me oh, its new kind of ether with differrent propeteries than than Morley-Michlson aether. Yet no evidence for that ether either.

Yeah, that all began in 1865 with Maxwell’s theory of Electromagnetism, when he showed that light is a wave the understanding was that a wave was a propagation through a medium. So what was the medium? But they never found a physical medium through which the wave travels. Well, it turns out that electromagnetic waves don’t need a physical medium, that’s mysterious, causing us to rethink the concept of wave, but to the extent that the Luminescent Aether was understood to be some kind of “substance”, a physical medium that light waves could propagate through, there isn’t one. I think what you are struggling with is if it’s not a physical thing, how can it warp or bend, but physicists use regular words to represent ideas that are completely different than how we use those words normally.

They use “spin” as a property for particles, but they are not talking about a rotating object that has angular momentum, same with the representation of space being flat, curved, warped or bent, they aren’t talking about a physical thing that actually bends. Space is three dimensional, what or where does it bend into?

So, from my point a lot of hand-waving on both sides, and I tend to go with Gravitation space { and occupied space/mdeium } that is warped by mass. So if you want to add some clarity for what causes two masses to come together, please explain specifically what you think is goining on

That’s fine, if you are more comfortable conceiving of it that way, that’s how you should think of it, in the abstract, but it’s a mistake to think of reality being equal to the mathematics we apply to it, reality isn’t abstract, mathematics is.

....5a} warped math{ spacetime } draws to masses toward each other,

...5b} some occupied space/medium is being warped by mass, and that is what draws the two masses together.

Sure, or you can also say

5a} the force of gravity draws two masses toward each other

5b} Mass generates a force of attraction that draws two masses toward each other.

Im just trying to follow a valid, logical common sense critical thinking pathway, that is clear, and would be accepted by as many scientist types in these cosmic field of what the hell is going specifically. Cause now it is not clear, as I presented in post 1.

You are talking about General Relativity and Quantum Physics, neither is amenable to “common sense” understanding, as Feynman said:

"The difficulty really is psychological and exists in the perpetual torment that results from your saying to yourself, 'But how can it be like that?"

Because quantum behavior and spacetime are fundamentally different from classical, common-sense experiences, they cannot be truly grasped through analogy, yet it perfectly matches experimental results.

Mass curves spacetime. What is spacetime?

Right down the center of my swing zone :)

Spacetime is just the mathematical coordinate system of the theory of Relativity, it’s the press and popular literature that made spacetime into a “fabric”, but that is misleading. Physically speaking, space measure the distance between objects, time measures the intervals between events, they are relationships between things that exist, rather than things in and of themselves.

The problem with literalizing the spacetime construct of Relativity Theory into an independently existing entity is that it directly contradicts the theory it is based on. Let's recognize what spacetime is in Relativity Theory, it’s a geometric coordinate system, a mathematical abstraction that combines the three spatial dimensions and the time dimension into a manifold, nothing but a geometric coordinate system that provides an abstract mathematical representation within the theory.

The most novel feature of Relativity Theory is its general covariance, which means you are free to use arbitrary spacetime coordinate systems, the mathematics are abstract descriptions of reality, they are not themselves real. If you can use any spacetime coordinate system to represent spacetime mathematically, then spacetime isn’t what is being measured. The mathematics represents events within the spacetime coordinate system, spacetime itself is an abstract mathematical tool. There is no space and time if there are no things with spatial properties and processes with temporal dimensions.

I think we can trust Einstein himself for a resolution.

When the press asked Einstein what was most important about his general theory he said: "People before me believed that if all the matter in the universe were removed, only space and time would exist. My theory proves that space and time would disappear along with matter."

Off to dinner and a play with the wife and some friends, I'll come back and have some comments on other points in your post.

Is that true or are ideologies that say that is all wrong, true?

It's the Bible that says that.

You should try reading it; it's a good book.

Matthew 7:1

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

John 14:2

In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Luke 17:21

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

1 Corinthians 7:7

For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

Let’s recognize that Jim Palmer is a Religious Trauma Counselor, so he deals with Traumatic Religious outcomes for a living. But the problem is not inherent to Christianity, it is a matter of how Christianity is presented to the child, and almost everything he presents are the traditional results of toxic authoritarian parenting, similar results can result from any religion, it certainly isn’t a function of the specific religion. 

Toxic authoritarian parents utilize chronic abuse and indoctrination in a fear-based home environment where high demands for obedience are enforced with little to no warmth, nurturing, or open communication. It is the parenting style that prioritizes total control that often leaves children with long-lasting emotional, social, and psychological damage.

In a toxic authoritarian parenting environment, any system of relationships and common belief structures can be entangled with fear and control, hindering a child’s ability to trust themselves and develop healthy interpersonal relationships. Presented in such an environment, almost any subject matter can have similar traumatic results, subjects like Democracy, Society, Atheism, Community, Family, Education, Football even, almost any social construct is vulnerable to becoming the object of trauma.

It’s the toxic environment that does the damage, not the subject matter presented in that toxic environment.

Remind me again, why would we want to make changes to the site based on input from a new user that quit?

What makes you think a new user with little experience using the site is qualified to recommend changes to how the site is run?

Then, what the hell was Einstein [a can-do] doing at Yale to meet with, among other students, my father, to enlighten them [a teaching exercise, after all], my friend, and Albert spent a good portion of his later life doing exactly that. 

It's fucking amazing how completely full of shit you are.

First of all, Einstein didn't do anything a Yale, he never held any position at Yale, he was at Princeton University you idiot.

He emigrated to the US in 1933 and joined the Institute for Advanced Study in PRINCETON, where he remained till his death in 1955. The Institute for Advance Study is a research center for theoretical study; it has never been a teaching university. Einstein never taught classes in the US, so he never actually had "students", he did conduct some lectures, but it is completely uninformed to say "Albert spent a good portion of his later life" teaching, he never "taught" a class in the US and so, he never had a student in the US.

Your father was not a student of Einstein's anywhere, especially not Yale LOL, that is just more of your bullshit.

"I will fundamentally change America," Oba'a said in his 2008 campaign. Since the Constitution is the foundation of America, those are fighting words.

That's an idiotic statement born of severe ODS, is it your contention that the country has not made any fundamental changes in 237 years? The Constitution has frozen the country in time, we are a static country because of the Constitution? Nonsense.

Get real, it isn't what Obama said that upsets you, it is his race that makes you angry, "black president" are your fighting words.

The country has fundamentally changed, especially regarding diversity, that upsets you because you and your white supremacist values are a thing of the past, you and your MAGA movement are dinosaurs that can't adapt to a changing world, and like the dinosaurs, you will go extinct, and for the same reason the dinosaurs did, because you have brains the size of walnuts.

Exist: Have objective reality or being.

Well objectivity/subjectivity are something of a moot point, in so much as both rely upon the internal sensory derived processes and conclusions of internal systems...Hence I always suggest that objectivity is always based upon a subjective assessment of acquired data...Green is just that...So yes in that context Green exists as per definition.

Mathematics also, in so much as mathematics is a well established thought construct derived from sensory input, and therefore also from the thinking organisms point of view, even if we prefer to differentiate between objectivity and subjectivity...Abstract or concrete...Bearing in mind that concrete is as far as we are able to know only born in mind, just as abstract is.

In simple terms if I wish to paint my kitchen with green paint, I choose green paint.

And if I want to know the price of 8 bananas I work it out...Even if they are on a 4 for 3 offer.

Of course, internal systems function, analysis and conclusions may beg to differ, relative to a more or less complex appreciation of relevant information.

Go Sidewalker.

I’m just trying to understand the argument between you and CaptainHook, I am very interested in the subject matter of your debate, and it seems to me you are both arguing from the same fundamental position. Just trying to clarify.

You both seem to be reducing “Love” to physical/chemical processes in the brain, and I’m not sure what the point of that is. Are you saying it’s not real, or in some way less real, than the brain processes behind it, or what?

The fact is, everything you experience has neural correlates, your answer here seems to acknowledge that, so pointing out that love is a matter of physical/chemical processes in the brain seems irrelevant to the discussion. So, I guess the question becomes, are you pointing that out to establish that you equate love with its neural correlates, or that love exists on a different level of reality, more real, less real, something like that. I find your debate with Cappy interesting, just trying to understand it.

As far as mind/brain goes, do you think mental states are identical to physical brain states, or that mind is an "emergent" property of brain, or are you a dualist? Do you think mind and brain are ontologically independent entities.

I’m a dualist, I think the mind is fundamentally immaterial and therefore must be treated as a separate philosophical concept.

Two questions for you both.

Does the color green exist?

How about mathematics, exist?

ODS again

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Who are the staff? Is there a list that tells us who the moderators are?

Oh for crying out loud, it's the first thread listed...I scanned them and missed that.

Never mind.