No, he did not survive it [crucifixion]. No one does unless they are taken down before death.
What if he was just comatosed or deeply unconscious?
No, he did not survive it [crucifixion]. No one does unless they are taken down before death.
What if he was just comatosed or deeply unconscious?
That's like saying that there were no long-distance swimmers outside Noah's ark. The biblical record does not record such, but that in no way means that there were no such swimmers. The record does not indicate that Mary, Jesus' mother, ever held him, never even saw him after his resurrection when there were many who did. Does that mean his own mother never saw him after watching his death on the cross? No.
Silly analogy but ok, But one would have expected the grand reunion of mother and holy son to have been recorded.
There again maybe he hated his mother "blessed of all women" so much, that he couldn't be bothered to pay her a visit because she wasn't worthy of his majestic presence? Luke 14:26
fauxlaw wrote: Making people drop dead - sorry, I know that has happened, but I don't recall a specific instance of it,
Do you mean personally or biblically?
fauxlaw wrote:I mean personally
Ok. Do you not recall a specific instance biblically i.e. an instance in the bible where people have simply dropped down dead?.
In the verse you just read... what do you think a sign is?
That's what I asked you.
If you don't know just say so.
Making people drop dead - sorry, I know that has happened, but I don't recall a specific instance of it,
Do you mean personally or biblically?
Yes, it is well known that Jesus later came to Glastonbury
You hit the post with that, Serge . The belief is that it was Joseph of Arimathea, another one Jesus' secret disciples .
https://research.reading.ac.uk/glastonburyabbeyarchaeology/digital/the-lady-chapel-c-1185-1539/joseph-of-arimathea/
What’s your point with this?
Well for a start tell me: What was the sign of Jonah?
In his book Pure Human Gregg Branden has a section on AI writing " AI is far from perfect".
he goes on- "While the use of machine intelligence definitely holds promise for applications such as the rapid scouring of historic records to find cancer-healing plants, the technology has not developed to the point that we want to relegate our life- or -death decisions to it."
"When the AI known as Chaos GPT, for example was asked, "what is the greatest threat to planet Earth today:" the April 2023 reply was not what the questioners expected.
In a now - famous exchanged viewed by millions on the social platform X, the answer was honest, direct and came without hesitation.
" Human beings are among the most destructive an selfish creatures in existence".
in the original version of the post - before it was updated in July 2024 the Bot went on to state
"there is no doubt that we must eliminate them before they destroy our planet". Braden goes on to cite a few false arrests court cases where the accused has been totally innocent because of the use of AI and how [ braindead ] lawyers had been totally reliant on AI to present their cases and judges have thrown them out. I've looked up a few of these cases and had the Judges in these case simply gone along with the false evidence and the often false precedent been accepted at face value, the accused in these cases could have been serving some serious time.
Key Cases Where Judges Rejected AI-Drafted Filings:
Common Judicial Concerns Regarding AI:
Legal Community Response:
Courts, including those in the UK, India, and various US states, are warning that while AI can be a useful tool, it is no substitute for human expertise. Judges are increasingly enforcing stricter verification standards and, in some cases, banning the use of AI for legal research.
Braden offers this link.
https://analyticsindiamag.com/ai-trends/how-ai-exposing-our-dark-desires-the-worlds-end/
Even John was present at the last supper and (John 13:23-25) explicitly describes this interaction during the meal.
If we are to assume that the author of John's gospel and the disciple John are one and the same person, then you may be correct in that the disciple John had certainly had his fill of wine and had a very heavy hanger over after the anount he had consumed at Jesus's going away party.
But surely anyone in that state would have waited at least until he had a clear head?
Drunken Disciples
https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/qb/after-a-dire-warning-the-gosples-have-been-added-to-and-taken-away-from?page=2&comment_number=31
The claim that Paul the Apostle called the first five books of the Bible (the Torah/Pentateuch) "crap" or "rubbish" is a misunderstanding.
I am not going to keep going around in circles about this. Paul made it clear as do the Greek translations. The Torah was shite: and had been a waste of his time reading it and preaching it. so had created his own version of what the "laws of god" were.
Stephen wrote: So you are saying baptism has nothing at all to do with cleansing of sins?
Debby Wrote: It is ultimately through faith in Jesus Christ and his blood, not the water itself, that sins are cleansed.
Ok so you are saying that baptism has nothing to do with washing away one's sin's. Yes or No?
And who baptised John?
Debby wrote:. There is no record in the New Testament of anyone baptizing John the Baptist. He is considered the initiator of his own baptism ministry, directly commissioned by God.
So you don't know.
So here again we have yet another one of those ambiguous half stories concerning one of these New Testament characters
You and your AI don't know a lot do you ?.
Even the courts decided the actions of the parents
But prayer didn't work for these loving devout Christians did it.
So Jonah wasn't dead. And neither was Jesus.. I have always maintained that he survived the cross as have many theological authors have too.
It was nothing but a symbolic death. This is why the whole charade was performed in a private setting and where the whole ritual it was being viewed "from afar".
The Last Supper took place before Jesus was crucified.
So you keep insisting but you then are the denying what John's gospel clearly states. Just admit it. john got it wrong.
making every argument circular doesn't and will never win you the argument.
We know you did not receive enough education and your knowledge of the Bible is poor because you are a non practicing Christian. You also revealed you are having a kidney removed.
None of the above has any relevance to the BIBLICAL fact that Paul proclaimed the Torah to be shite and a waste of his time preaching and teaching.
John's baptism was unique as a one-time ceremony initiating followers in preparation for the Messiah.
So you are saying baptism has nothing at all to do with cleansing of sins?
So who gave John the authority to preform baptisms?
And who baptised John?
Just admit it. Prayer didn't work for these devout Christians.
Jesus rebukes religious leaders demanding a miracle by calling them an "evil and adulterous generation." He refuses to perform on command, stating the only sign they will receive is the "sign of Jonah"—a prophetic parallel to his upcoming three-day death and resurrection, foreshadowing his victory over the grave.
Ok. So what was "the sign" of Jonah?
parallel to his upcoming three-day death.[..................Just as Jonah was in the fish's belly for three days and nights, Jesus would be in the "heart of the earth" (death/burial) for three days and nights before rising, serving as the ultimate verification of his messiahship.
So how does Jonah's time inside the fish in anyway "parallel" the dead Jesus laying in his private tomb for three days when Jonah wasn't dead inside the belly of the fish.
historical events are fascinating...Though the further back we go.
Indeed they are, Serge.. If we go back as far as the a few hundred thousand years to Mesopotamian records, it is soon discovered that many of the stories in the Old Testament are simply a re-telling of the history of the "gods" of Babylon and Ur and well before the bible was even thought about...Indeed in those records you will read of the story of Sharrukin/ Sargon ( Moses in the OT) Ziusudra/ Atrahasis (Noah in the OT) to name just a few.
Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:38-40
What are we to take from this? What does Jesus mean by the highlighted above?
"In testimony at the trial and videotaped interviews with police, the parents said they believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her and summoned others to do the same. A friend who was at the family's rural Weston home called the ambulance after Kara stopped breathing."
"I am guilty of trusting my Lord's wisdom completely ... Guilty of asking for heavenly intervention. Guilty of following Jesus Christ when the whole world does not understand. Guilty of obeying my God,"
"We live by faith," he said after the sentencing. "We are completely content with what the Lord has allowed to come down, but he is not done yet."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/07/couple-sentenced-daughter-prayer-death
the prosecutor said. "They allowed Kara to die because they got themselves too caught up in the misguided belief that they were being tested by God," the prosecutor said.
Sounds like that they believed that they were having a Abraham experience to me.
I have corrected every instance /post where you distorted.
Nope: you have either given your opinion, made things up as you go go, or simply lied
Jesus was not tried and crucified and died BEFORE the last supper.
Not according to John's gospel.
You even deny Jesus was alive and present at the last supper.
Nope: that'll be John's gospel.
even if you struggle with the Bible.
I'm not.
John the Apostle was present at the Last Supper
. He is often identified as the "disciple whom Jesus loved" (John 13:23) who reclined next to Jesus and leaned against his chest to ask who would betray him. John 13:23-25 explicitly describes this interaction during the meal.
There you have it.
No. We don't have it you clown. You are now claiming the the disciple John is also the author of John's gospel., No one knows who wrote any of the gospels they are all anonymous.
You keep forgetting that your beloved AI doesn't read, but does as it told.
Even John was present at the last supper and (John 13:23-25) explicitly describes this interaction during the meal.
Learn to Read your Bible . And don’t deny what is clearly writing in the Bible. Jesus was there with his disciples including John the day before his crucifixion.
Look. If johns gospel states that Jesus was tried and crucified and died BEFORE the last supper, then they couldn't have been both author and disciple. Or was he also too drunk to remember after downing all that wine at Jesus' going away party?
Hope that you are enjoying the sunshine.
Loving it thank you Serge. I been in the garden since 7:30.
Debby Wrote:You belong to the desperate group of humans who have lost all hope and betting on AI to bail them out.
Stephen wrote:Are you kidding me!? You can't keep your hands away from relying on the unreliable AI to bail you out of corners that you continuously paint yourself into.
Debby wrote: That’s exactly the reason I use AI to bail out the desperate group of humans who have lost all hope and betting on AI to bail them out. It is a tool they understand well as pagans.
the reason that you use AI, is because you are thick as mince, never read the bible for yourself and can't think for yourself.
Off you go now.
Not sure what the issue is here for you.
Not surprised.
It may well have been to false teaching, or ignorance or a combination of the two - or something else completely.
Or it may be that prayers simply do not work. have you considered that?