You even deny Jesus was alive and present at the last supper.
Nope. Stop fkn lying AFGAIN!!!. I have said John's gospel has Jesus tried and crucified, by the time of the last supper. Try reading it for yourself. I have given you the chapter and verse.
All your distortions have been dealt with and your misinterpretation of the Bible verses exposed.
I haven't had to distort or misrepresent anything, stop lying again. And you cannot give me am single example of where I have done so.
The Meaning of Skubala: The Greek word skubalacan be translated as "rubbish," "trash," "refuse," or sometimes "dung/excrement." Paul uses this strong language not to call the Torah bad, but to describe his former reliance on his own accomplishments for salvation as "worthless" in comparison to the grace of knowing Christ.
Exactly you absolute twat. His studying and reading of it had been - according to Paul himself - "worthless and a complete waste of time". Hence it was shite.
Debby wrote:Paul the apostle did not call the first five books of the bible (the Torah/Pentateuch) " crap" or "rubbish"
Yet here you are, finally admitting above. that he did, after consulting your beloved AI
What western pagan/polytheists are missing are circumcision and the covenant that comes with it.
What do you mean by" missing are circumcision"?
Didn't Paul say that circumcision was unnecessary for gentile converts?.
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You belong to the desperate group of humans who have lost all hope and betting on AI to bail them out.
Are you kidding me!? You can't keep your hands away from relying on the unreliable AI to bail you out of corners that you continuously paint yourself into.
All your criticism of the Bible has been invalidated because you distorted its interpretations and twisted its words....... You are just bitter because you are about to lose a kidney.
Nope is all I eve do is question the bible (New Testament in particular). I can hardly distort what is written in the bible. I leave that kind of trickery and slight of hand to twats just like you and you fall for it every time when scrambling for answers.
Have you considered how your kidney removal is affecting your general mental health You are just bitter because you are about to lose a kidney.
More desperation. Please keep it up . You are showing anyone interested what a kind loving Christian you are. And my mental health is just fine. You should though, be questioning your own compos mentis if you actually believe a man walked on water and rose from being dead ,back to life.
Because from the start you have been attacking the Bible and trying to make a mockery of Jesus.
"Attacking"!!!? Dearie me, you are a delicate little soul aren't you? I Criticise, scrutinise and question what is written in the bible( New Testament in particular) and what the gospel writers have to say about Jesus what what Jesus has to say for himself - which is very little when it comes down to it.. Now if you want to interpret that as "attacking" that's your problem , fill your boots.
SO, we have a qualified man of god, a Pastor no less, reminding us of the precedent set by Jesus himself.
Take the case of Pastor Bill and his attempt to raise the child from the dead through faith and prayer. Why wasn't his and the prayers of all of his congregation able to raise the child back to life? Especially in the light of Jesus clearly tells us :
"Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it".John14:13-14
And the bible clearly informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.
Why would it tell us that if prayer is as pointless as it has been shown to be in all those cases?
I found it interesting too that the only thing that this Pastor and his church managed to "raise" was the $63,000 that came on the backs of these unfortunate dead children and their grieving parents.
He knows cynicism and does not reply to such.
Very convenient. It reminds of preachers and teachers that would rather accuse you of being "cynical" simple because you have caught then on the backfoot .
Paul is clearly dismissing the Torah as "garbage" and clear waste of his time and so introduced to his audience a "new gospel /new covenant". I have never denied that this is what had clearly taking place and I also know why it had to take place too.
But with that said, we have the Old Testament also clearly and repeatedly stating that "god does not ever his mind".
Stephen Wrote:but if I'm honest I am not looking forward to my nephrectomy op.
Bellend Debby wrote: A nephrectomy is the surgical removal of all (radical) or part (partial) of a kidney, usually performed under general anesthesia to treat kidney cancer, disease, or injury. Techniques include traditional open surgery or minimally invasive laparoscopic/robotic methods.
That just all smacks of desperation to me, Thicky. I know exactly what it is you fkn idiot! it me that is having it done. I'm fine about it. It doesn't mean that I'm going to enjoy it. Who in there right mind would?, maybe someone such as yourself that is a glutton for punishment and doesn't enjoy being run ragged by a non practicing Christian.
What are you afraid of? I can only assume it must be the fact that I keep showing the bible up for what it really is: an ancient contradictory , ambiguous book full of half told stories and dead ends. And in the process I am exposing you for the bible dunce that you most certainly are. and from which which I get great enjoyment into the bargain, which is a bonus. 😂😂😂
Off you go now bible dunce.
But I suppose that praying makes some people feel good, thereby producing positive and beneficial electrochemical brain activity.
Morning Serge.
Not in the case of these poor desperate parents. They were charged with murder and still had to watch their child be lowered into the ground, on top of it all.
Dale and Shannon HIckman, were convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to six years in prison for the death of their newborn infant.”
(Matthew 22:21) advising that people should fulfill their civic duties (taxes, laws) to the state ("Caesar") while giving their spiritual devotion, lives, and ultimate allegiance to God.
You absolute clown!
These poor desperate parents had asked for the life of their babies. Their only motive was LIFE! Jesus said : "I am the resurrection and the life"
They hadn't asked for the mortgage to be paid off. They sought help and didn't find it. They knocked on god’s door and it didn’t open,he ignored them all and remained as silent as the graves that their children were buried in.
John14:13-14 "Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it".
What a complete and utter cruel thing to promise?
John the Baptist did not create the Lord’s Prayer.
I didn't say John the Baptist created the prayer . But we do know is that before Jesus came on the scene John was saying this prayer and teaching it to his own multitude of disciples.
Funny isn't it, that John the Baptist still had his own MASSIVE!, following even after Jesus showed up to claimed the reigns.
For how long have I also maintained that the Bible's translation in the 4th century CE [...............]
It matters not, faux The bible is still being read and preached with the same words. I am challenging it for what it says today regardless of the multiple translations, and corrections that it has undergone. And regardless of what has definitely been added to and taken away AND expunged.
Now you accept the new message that Jesus and his disciples were preaching.
I have never denied what you are suggesting. Indeed Jesus was telling them what " signs" to look for at the end of the "age" , its as have told you billion times. And you didn't and still don't know exactly what Jesus meant by saying the words "the end of the age".
They were reaching out to the Gentiles to replace the Jews. It was the beginning of the new covenant.
This is not what is being argued here is it, you dulcet dunce? What is being argued here is Pauls claims that the Torah is shite, rubbish, garbage and "filth" and had been a total waste of his time studying and preaching. WHICH YOU REAPETEDLY INSISTED that he hadn't said any such thing!
The Lord's Prayer
LOL . which just happened to by prayer by John the Baptist.
Christian prayers dont work because Christians pray only for Earthly stuff,
Praying to Jesus as per bible message, is hardly praying asking for things earthly. but to have god spare your innocent Child.
God does not change his mind, if the bible is to be believed
Numbers:"God is not human, that he should lie,not a human being, that he should change his mind.
am the Lord, I change not. Malachi 3:6
You agree in your post Jesus was out with the old and in with the new.
Indeed. I tried to explain to you that these cycles happen when there is a new AGE on the horizon and the new heaven is a new astronomical house/ sign is about to appear in the heavens.. . But you weren't having any of it. Its all a bit too deep for you to take in anyway.,
So how can Jesus both be dead and present with his disciples gathered to eat the Passover Lamb.
That'll be the last supper, stupid.
and that's another one of those biblical dilemmas, isn't it thicky> and something that you'll have to take up with the writer of John's gospel. John has Jesus tied and crucified the day before.
Over 100 verses preaching the importance of payer;
“the parents believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her and summoned others to do the same”. A central Wisconsin couple who prayed rather than seeking medical care for their 11-year-old dying daughter were sentenced to six months in jail and 10 years probation in the girl's death. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/07/couple-sentenced-daughter-prayer-death
December 14 2019.
Church attempts resurrection of a dead two year old child, through Prayer
“We have a precedent” said Pastor Bill, “Jesus raised the dead”.
He said “there was no time limit on how much longer the prayers and singing would continue, but added that the child remained at the county coroner's office”.
Interesting that Jesus also commanded any one that followed him to:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give”. Matthew 10:7-8 .
They appear to have done everything by the book too:
“'Since that night, and at the continued request of the Heiligenthal family, Bethel Church has hosted prayer and worship gatherings which consist of singing and prayer,' the church said in a statement”.
Interesting it is that the bible informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.
The baby’s funeral was eventually held December22.
What happened here ? “Ye of little faith” or the wrong faith?
It appears that the only thing “raised” during this whole sad sorry saga was $62,000 (“unforeseen expenses”) via a GoFundMe page. I can hear Pastor Bill sermonising Acts 2:45 as I write.
Members of the Followers of Christ Church whose members rely on prayer and had prayed for their sick newborn baby instead of taking her to the hospital are charged with murder. “The infant died just hours after she was born”. This couple was expecting twins, one had already died at birth and they prayed to god and Jesus that the other would survive. It didn’t.
“Dale and Shannon HIckman, were convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to six years in prison for the death of their newborn infant.”
In all of three cases (and many more) every single religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.
WTF happened!!?
Was it because these grieving faithful parents “babbled far too much” ?Matthew 6:7
Even Jesus changed his original message
NOPE: Not if you believe that Jesus is also god from the beginning.
I am the Lord, I change not. Malachi 3:6
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers23:19
More example on request.
God never changing his mind is rife throughout the bible, thickly.
Off you go now.
Now you accept the new message that Jesus and his disciples were preaching.
Whatever gave you that idea. did you read my bio properly, you look at it often enough.
EXCERPT From Stephen's bio: "I simply do not accept the bible (New Testament in particular) in the way it has come down to us nor how it has been preached to us over the millennia. I have no problem believing that a man called Jesus existed minus the so called "miracles".
https://www.debatecraft.com/users/Stephen
Love neighbors as one's self.
I don't how you manage to do it , Faux, but every time you make a post it opens up another can of worms that contradicts yourself and shows Jesus to be contradicting himself.
Luke. "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple".
Mathew. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
All very "love they neighbour". Me thinks.
DEBBY WROTE: You are confusing the Last Supper with the Passover meal.
Stephen wrote: FFS! stop it. HERE>> from you own beloved AI The Last Supper is widely considered to be a Passover meal, or Seder, in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), which state that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb.
DEBBY WROTE: There you posted it yourself that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb
Yes. which is the Passover meal. you clown. Stop denying what is actually written in the bible.
Oh btw. I'm anxious about nothing. If anyone is in a panic it is you sunshine. You are the one that appears to be angry because I insist on highlighting all these BIBLICAL contradictions, and unambiguous half told stories from the BIBLE.
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THICKO WROTE: even Jesus changed his original message
Accept it thicko. You know nothing about that which you should know about.
Jesus changed nothing . The gospel writer may have Or Christian may have. But not god /Jesus.
I am the Lord, I change not. Malachi 3:6
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers23:19
You keep arguing with your uncle Stephen. I'll learn you a thing or two about that which you should already. know
Paul the Apostle profoundly shaped Christianity
Indeed that's why he gave the OT the elbow and preached a "new one". Its as I told you on another thread when Jesus spoke about new heaven and a new earth I.E. an new age, it was out with the old and in with the new.
Off you go now stupid.
You are confusing the Last Supper with the Passover meal.
FFS! stop it. HERE>> from you own beloved AI
The Last Supper is widely considered to be a Passover meal, or Seder, in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), which state that Jesus and his disciples gathered to eat the Passover lamb.
You just can't stop telling fkn lies and making shite up on the hoof can you? I'm surprised you haven't told us that the disciples had had a bit too much to drink and were confused when reminiscing about Jesus' going away party.
Oh sorry, you've already used that bullshit excuse , haven't you:
HERE>>>> The lying THICKO Debby wrote: "alcohol was served during the last supper and that could have clouded the disciples" recollection".
HERE>>>> https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/qb/after-a-dire-warning-the-gosples-have-been-added-to-and-taken-away-from?page=2&comment_number=31
Debby wrote: Paul the Apostle did not call the first five books of the Bible (the Torah/Pentateuch) "crap" or "rubbish."
Stephen wrote: Are you sure about that?
Debby wrote: Based on scholarly analysis of the original Greek text in Philippians 3, Paul the Apostle did not call the Torah (the first five books of the Bible) "crap" or "rubbish." The passage in question (Philippians 3:7-8) uses the Greek word
skubalon (σκύβαλον), which is often translated as "rubbish," "dung," "refuse," or "garbage." However, contextually, Paul is referring to his former legalistic accomplishments and Pharisaic prestige, not the Torah itself.
BULL SHIT
Hard luck bone head, it is clear in the extreme what Paul has say on thee matter and which you have you denied. THREE TIMES..
You just can't admit that you didn't know until forced to go and research it for yourself using your untrustworthy AI
Paul vehement about the Torha and showed his hatred for it AFTER he says he "found Jesus".
From two different bibles
Paul states "Yes truly, I even counted all things loss on account of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for the sake of whom I suffer the loss of all things, and I consider them but excrements, that I may gain Christ".
So we see Paul attests clearly that the OT is a waste of time and he wishes he hadn't bothered to study those books that we know as
the Torah. because they are shit- "excrement"
Same verse different bible.
More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of Him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them filth, so that I may gain Christ
See that knobhead "FILTH" he calls them.
Paul is referring to his former legalistic accomplishments and Pharisaic prestige, not the Torah itself.
But he's telling us that he learned nothing from them at all. that he hadn't accomplished anything, and had wasted his time even studying them and regrets it too.
So stop with your bullshit and lies and accept that you didn't even know and that Paul - the self confess liar - hated those books and now believes them to be nothing but " filthy shit".
Here endeth the lesson, thicko.
Debby wrote: Paul the Apostle did not call the first five books of the Bible (the Torah/Pentateuch) "crap" or "rubbish."
HERE>> https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/qf/gods-mercy-and-impressions-of-non-believers-god-cant-win?page=1&comment_number=11
Stephen wrote: Are you sure about that?
Old testament is something Christians desperately want to throw out of the Bible, because it isnt only brutal, but contradicts with new testament. Any idiot can see Jesus's behavior and words contradict old testament. Jesus simply has nothing in common with God of old testament.
I agree, Lucy
You simply dont see Jesus killing people, being a consuming angry fire, or getting angry enough to kill whole society because someone made cow out of gold.
Indeed Jesus was a lovely man that couldn't do no wrong... on the surface. But one only has to scratch the surface of any of the gospels and his true colours appear.
God of old testament is just angry autistic guy who commands killing of many types of people. In fact, old testament has a whole list of types of people to be killed, and following Old testament today would land you in prison very quickly.
I have always said: That Christians, by making Jesus God have adopted a god from a age they don't understand, from a a culture they don't understand and a society they will never understand. And in the process have made a rod for their own backs.
Was the Last Supper the same day as Passover?
So? and John's gospel says Jesus was dead :
"From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”
When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.NISAN14
