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Sure. I suppose I just take issue with framing it as being something "almost guaranteed" and tipping off scum as to which characters would be most likely to be believed if they were to be claimed. Although I grant that this show seems to be well-known enough that a quick Google is enough to reach that point regardless.

I dont think theorizing at what characters exist tip scum off to anything, there is still a large amount of skepticism that will go with any major claim especially if the role doesn't fit the character. Putting a list of potential characters to exist isn't a statement that all these claims will be town confirmed, or are even neccesarily safe. But I think the utility in it is that we can look at outliers with a bit of scrutiny, because there will be more than one scum who will either have to claim outside that list or take a siginificant risk of CC by claiming within it.

My hot take of the hour is that you might not want to publicize a list of characters that are "almost guaranteed" to be in the game because there's a reasonable chance that at least one "obvious" character is going to not be included in order to create claim space.

At least, that would be my guess. Seems a likely outcome of allowing questions rather than giving fake claims to scum outright.

Doesnt make any sense. We can still talk about characters that may and may not exist and acknowledge that mafia have a fake claim.

There is certain characters that are almost guaranted to be in this game btw, i will make a list later, about to go to sleep

I literally had a dream that I got a certain character in this game. No kidding The next day when I got my role PM I got the exact character I dreamed I was. WTF am I a psychic?

Might be asleep when this starts

/in

One of my favorite dark comedies next to Mr. inbetween

This is an awesome theme btw. If you haven’t seen this show spoil yourself and watch it, it’s hilarious and dark but the story is very compelling

I definitely was swayed by some of pies thematic arguments as well as the supa silencing point. It almost convinced me. At the end of the day day I bought into wifom of Whiteflame as scum not wanting to risk leaving me alive in a lylo situation. I was pressuring him hard dp2, leaving me alive was a huge risk, not sure it’s one he would take. He could have left Thoth alive who was hard sussing pie dp2. Like I said it could have been a big brain manipulation tactic but I think of Whiteflame as a conservative safe player, I just didn’t see him risking it.

Sorry man I think I am closing my account down after this current mafia game. Not having fun here, I am a washed debater and mafia player. Don't really feel like im part of the community any more lol. GG's all its been fun

Considering I've stated over and over again that I have my issues with Thoth as well and that I've been willing to consider his lynch, and considering that I've made the arguments, received little in the way of responses, and we have now just over 2 hours left to make any lynch happen, yeah, I'll go for the option that has at least some chance of happening.

keeping options open so that you have more mislynch potential, is what this feels like. Not really a good point in favor of you being town. Would make more sense if you picked a lane and stayed in it, now you willing to lynch Thoth when you heavily questioned and doubted pies reasoning for it earlier.

Softclaiming your role early doesn't really change anything for me, either, since you would have received the full fake claim as scum and made this call early

just thought of something so to respond to this again; you really think the mod would give vanilla as a fake claim? That’s like the worst fake claim ever, anyone can come up with vanilla lol. Just saying

going to bed, night yall.

Because I wanted to know if your claim would move the needle for me in a positive direction and because I thought it might. I wasn't sure what your claim was, but I figured it wasn't Vanilla. You giving that claim didn't change my reads because that claim didn't change anything about my perception of you.

Yeah your tunneling, but wanting to save face about it and appear open minded, yet you also don't want to lynch your top scum read because your afraid you won't get support for it. Makes sense.

There's no way you are town here man.

I didn't say you have reads bouncing all over the place. I said that I don't like much of the reasoning you've used for sussing other players throughout this game. You've dropped some of those points, but they're hard for me to ignore.

Considering I only ever had a light read on thoth before you, I don't really see what you mean about having bad reasoning for sussing other players lol.

As for a town pool, frankly, I don't have one. Pie's null to me. His scumhunting against Thoth looks pretty good, but I've seen him behave this way as scum and town before so my read on him may shift depending on how Thoth flips. Vader can't say anything and didn't say much last DP, so he's null to me too. That leaves you and Thoth, both of whom I have points against. Could you be town? Sure. Is there anything that you've done that specifically stands out to me as townie? Not much. These responses have been the towniest part of your play yet, and they're making me question my read a bit.

So despite having the most "weight" against me (or thoth I guess) you are still willing to drop that because you don't think you have support? Question, how do you lynch scum if you aren't capable of trying to convince others of your reads to accomplish said lynch? Why are you willing to risk people that have townier cases for them (in your "mind")?

As for lynching you, I've recognized now several times that that probably isn't happening. I don't think it's likely that Vader voted for you, I don't think Pie will either, and I can see reasons to lynch either you or Thoth. If/when it comes down to it, I'll support the option that ends with a lynch over one that ends with a deadlock. If you think that's off behavior for me, so be it.

Why isn't the lynch on me happening? Why are you not capable of leading a lynch on someone you clearly think is scummy mr. aggressive?

 Softclaiming your role early doesn't really change anything for me, either, since you would have received the full fake claim as scum and made this call early.

If my claim means nothing then WHY the FUCK did you ask for it?

Lol, alright then. Nothing's changed about my behavior since your last post where you felt extremely mixed about me, the only difference is that you feel slighted that I'm still sussing you after you gave up your role claim.

It was the unvote where you said you were ONLY unvoting me because you wanted to prevent a quick hammer and then waffling about picking a lane on me because you doubt you could get the support for it. You are being aggressive, but don't want to use your aggression to lead a proper lynch? Literally makes no sense. You are throwing mud to see what will stick and see who takes the bait. That way in the off chance someone like thoth or pie does wagon a read on me last minute you can get a quick easy lynch off. But your argument for sussing me is pretty inherently bad in the first place, especially considering I have soft claimed my role early and character and role claimed immediately when asked. I made a thread on DDO shortly before it closed detailing how vanilla was the best role in the game because you can play however you want without risk of being being killed, and dying is a direct laugh at mafia. Also you can use the role to bait the night kill, or just scum hunt and scum have no incentive to kill you. Its my favorite role and my best games tend to be when I am vanilla, for example, terraria mafia.

I said it was odd, explained my reasoning referencing the connection to being Vanilla, and then you left all that out and instead claimed that my issue was with your character claim, which it has never been. So yes, I'd call that a bad faith reading. And I've been very specific regarding the reasons I'm sussing you behaviorally already (see post #114) as well as explaining why Celine being Vanilla doesn't sit well with me. Your compliance is appreciated, but no, it doesn't make you more likely to be town just because you did as requested. If you want to believe I'm going to try something with roughly 4 hours left in the DP and my vote on absolutely no one, that's your choice. I'm almost certainly going to be overruled by Pie and Thoth is probably going to end up being the lynch. And if all this changes your gut read on me, I honestly don't care.

in 114 you said I have been sussing players for shoddy reasoning, which isn't true. I said I would be suspicious of anyone who claimed to be roleblocked and a couple people even agreed with me about that, and I had provided reasoning for that stance. That said I didn't really throw shade at tons of people other than mentioning a gun to your head scum read on a thoth behavior point. You trying to spin this as me having reads bouncing all over the place is wild.

Secondly you've had your mind made up about me since you first placed your vote on me and keep finding reasons to back justify a lynch on me. It shows that you were never interested in town reading me, which as town I think you would have at least acknowledged some points to where I could be town. I know you, you are usually very reasonable as town and weigh both sides. I have reasons to believe every person here has a town case for them. You are only looking at lynch potential which shows that you aren't trying to figure out a town pool. Specifically with me, no matter how compliant I have been (Literally could have lied or resisted claiming and justified the sh1t out of it) you wont retract a scum read on me or even consider me being town. This is not resembling your town behavior in the slightest. The fact I am consistently noting differences in behavior from you makes me feel like you have to be scum at this point. If you think I am scum you should be lynching me. Period. This waffling about not lynching me because you doubt you could get support for it demonstrates that you are willing to no lynch. If I am scum you should want to lynch me and not waste time elsewhere.

VTL whiteflame. Probably isnt going to happen, but I dont see town whiteflame scum reading me when I have been perfectly compliant and actually haven't done anything scummy. This aggression feels pointed and oppertunistic, not whiteflames usual style. I don't think he gets an excuse for a behavioral change this game. This seems off. I have to log soon to sleep.

Now this is just a bad faith reading of what I said. I said previously that your claiming Celine as a character makes sense. I still hold to that. You conveniently quoted only two sentences of what I said above that leave out what I viewed as the oddity: the attached role claim. If you have some justification that makes sense of why she's Vanilla, be my guest and provide it.

I was literally just given a description of my character (rumi's adoptive mother) and told I was vanilla. There was no link or justification provided. And its not a bad faith reading, you literally said it was odd, after having previously voted me (only stating you unvoted me to prevent a quick hammer) so despite being perfectly compliant you are still scum reading me, and its a bit non sense. I am clearly your intended target this day phase. I feel like you are going to try some sh1t soon with 7 hours left knowing I will be asleep to result in my quick lynch. I am retracting my gut read on your actions being town motivated at this point.

To me, the Celine claim comes off as odd. She's a former member of the group previous to Huntr/x and her main focus in the plot is on keeping Rumi's identity as a half demon secret. 

Thats wild considering you mentioned my character being likely in this game like 10 times over the last two day phases, and even guessed that I was this character multiple times. Now its odd lol

Also, looking for a claim from you before the DP's out.

https://tarateaspoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Vanilla-Ice-Cream-cone-glass-sq.jpeg

I figured as much regarding your character. Not familiar with that role - any justification? I'll check back on before I knock off for the night.

sounds like soldier

I'm Mira. My role is that town wins if I and one scum are the only players alive.

You are soldier?

Generally speaking, if someone has an idea about what's going on in the game, then sharing that idea is probably good because it can spark discussion and maybe lead to other people figuring out things that nobody would have figured out otherwise. If I think that the reasons to keep a thought to myself outweigh the reasons to share it, then I do not share it.

I am not saying not to do that, just trying to interpret whether its actual town thought sharing or mafia pretending to guess mechanics they already know about, which is something scum do frequently.

I like to think that my thoughts are so good that it would be stealing you deprive you of them. That aside, does TMI mean that you seem to know more than a townie should, that you are sharing things that could help scum, or both?

Oversharing in general thinking it will make you look smart and farm you town cred when it actually might hint that you know things you should know and are coming to conclusions about things you wouldn't otherwise know; IE the main reason pie is scum reading you.

I'm not likely to analyze the theme?

You are and thats literally why you are in the scum pool. smh

Your insults don't phase me douche.

That was literally the opposite of an insult.

Only under the assumption I am scum, which I am not, so it definitely is.

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/1r/k-pop-demon-hunters-mafia---dp1?page=4

Post 103

Gun to your head, who do you want to lynch right now

Probably thoth for over-defensiveness, that comment he made about thinking he would be lynched for something relatively small. Then again its thoth. He tends to post every little thought that enters his head which I tend to read as TMI and scummy

I'm not sure I buy it. You're smarter than that.

Your insults don't phase me douche.