It’s not personal, and I’m not throwing shit to see where it sticks. I actually do scum read you.
For “fence sitting” which you refuse to explain to me wtf that means or how I am doing it. I think you just saw mharman say that and are repeating it, but when I called Mharman out for it at least he admitted I was fair in saying I wasn’t fence sitting.
I’m not very good at debating. Which is why I avoid “lay down your arguments, why am I scum?” It’s a noob trap. If people want to do that to me, I’ll vote them. Instead I pick up on things that people say. If people want to win who’s the best debater game, fine by me, but that’s not the game I’m playing.
Maybe not everything is a debate. Maybe im genuinely trying to seek answers and explanations from you. If you don’t have them then just say that. Saying something is off about someone and how they post is one thing but if you can’t point out why, how to you plan to sell anyone on your logic or prove your point? I saw Whiteflame completely differently than you did which is why I was trying to pick your brain about it, to make sense of your read to establish if it’s genuine meaning your likely town or if it’s scum motivated, and your creating something from
nothing to throw shit and see what sticks.
Why would I explain anything when you’re obviously going to try to bury it with rhetoric and bs arguments? No. You are scum. It’s YOUR job to convince me you are Town, not my job to be convinced. Your turn.
Okay so your throwing shit to see what sticks. Got it. Lovely I get to deal with this again.
Whiteflame’s shit is just logical shit that anyone can say. It’s literally just an observation on the game state, not an opinion. Anyone can say that. Plus many of them seem forced like “I need to say something here”.
I find it interesting that you can’t refute or pick out something specific he is saying and keep making broad observations about his posting style, which I find to be completely untrue. He packed a lot in his most recent post, including his stance on multiple players and he even laid out a solid POE pile of people to lynch out of, none of which are “easy” lynch opportunities.
This is scummy. I don’t have to elaborate or explain anything. You are fence sitting because you’re not really taking sides. You keep making references to older games and shit instead of actually playing.
You not being willing to explain it means that you probably contrived the opinion. Or are just the throwing shit to see what sticks. In either case I would question your motive for doing this as town. And what are you talking about with me making references to older games? The only game I’ve really brought up was the last game lol. Mharman and pie have been referencing other games like crazy maybe you are confusing me with them.
I also don’t trust Whiteflame. Whiteflame makes these points that are so damn divorced from the game. Like... they’re not opinions, I don’t know how to put it. It’s just analysis. No gut feeling whatsoever.
I am gonna need you to explain this one in explicit detail. Divorced from the game? Whiteflame has had some of the most solid takes and opinions and clear musings of any one in the game in my personal opinion and I agree with his POE 100%.
What specifically don’t you like about what he is saying?
What do you think fence sitting means? Please elaborate and explain in detail how that applies to me.
I’m a little busy today too but I’ll be around and checking in
Whats all this talk of me being a fence sitter? My position was that both you and pie are town knuckleheads with big penis syndome. A fencesitter would be someone waiting to take the side of whoever is winning.
MY sleep schedule is so fucked, I got to fix it before I work on tuesday. But it is also limiting how I can interact with people. I usually try to sleep from 8am-4pm MST, but yesterday I didn't sleep til 3PM and just woke up at 1 AM lol
Wylted feels okay as well. Not sure about mago, I still really only know his town game from last game, but I will say he feels slightly different from that game.
Whiteflame feels pretty town to me, I liked his nuanced take on pie/mharman feud too.
Rex feels like his normal town meta is just solely on vibes, but I don't care for the wagon on Thoth. Harder to read because he is almost as inactive as Shining. Still null.
What "vibes" do you think he would be giving off as scum? He may have been scum again but I can't remember a scum game off the top of his besides Terraria.
Anyways, yeah my take here is that pie and mharman are both probably town here and just super tunnel vision on each other right now. I can see pie getting steamed here and combined with the fact that he was apparently blocked or something might be fueling his conspiracy against mharm considering he was sussing mharm, but at the same time it could also just be coincidence, or maybe even set up to make mharm look bad my scum. This feels like town passion though, something we didn't see from pie in the last game, and it does stand out to me as a town tell because this is how pie acts as town. Same with mharman, I genuinely buy that he made the mistake there, and I don't really hold that over him. I was half asleep when I posted the comment that it was "sus" that he pushed me towards the end there, and I was genuinely peeved about that when I saw it since I wasn't online to defend myself and I was just hours before that, but I can buy that mharman is town here. Also I think scum mharman could definitely find easier lynch targets than "pie and luna" if he was scum. For him to be targeting us he must be pretty genuinely suspicious of us, because scum mharman knows there is no world where those are easy lynches to obtain, so why take the path of most resistance? If he is scum, props to him because this is a major wifom argument that literally no one besides me is making, so if this was his plan, it could have easily backfired.
So yeah I'd prefer not to go after either of these two atm.
I am actually wanting to pressure Rex. Rex hasn't really taken a lot of solid stances, and his joke at the end of the day phase "Never change guys" while funny, kind of rubbed me the wrong way that he was there and making fun of people's decision while not really contributing his own decision. I went back and read all his posts, he had a clear indication of wanting to push magoroth early, later said he would be down to lynch mago or thoth based on little contribution, and only fully voted thoth after the "CC" debacle. Then he doesn't post until EOD, where he makes the joke. IDK I am getting the vibes that he is around and aware of the game but going with the flow rather than trying to solve it. His vote was the scummiest on the thoth wagon imo, and the fact that he never stated an opinion change on it despite mharman changing his claim, or really commenting it at all makes is seem more scummy in hindsight.
So I may be the minority here, but I'd rather redirect pressure from pie/mharm to rex here.
VTL rex
The case against Lunatic:
At the start of DP1, he did nothing but post fluff, no analysis or commentary, absolutely nothing outside of his argument with Thoth, then disappeared. At this time, some people were inactive, so remember that scum had an incentive to hide like this.
I never "Hide" as scum. Can you find a scum game where I have? If anything I am more active. At the point when you were making this accusation also there was fairly limited activity to go off of in dp1. Like even if I was trying to build a wagon on someone to get pressure going it would have been me making a mountain out of a molehill, and I didn't even really see any molehill's yet to work with even if I wanted to do that.
When he reappears, he drops this:
I don't have a lot of reads so far, its been kind of an inactive day phase. Mharman feels good, no red flags from pie yet, whiteflame is just inactive. Wylted seems okay, thoth I can't take seriously because of his wylted hate campaign, Banana feels very afk other than a few odd posts, but ive been inactive too, Rex hasn't said a ton, mago doesn't really stand out, yeah kind of a bad dp1 so far
These are nothingburger reads. Really not impressive at all.
Wasn't really trying to impress anyone, those were my actual thoughts and feelings at the time with very limited things to go off of.
and again, if you think you’re Link, you’re going to vote that, not Unvote. Notice the sleight of hand tactic from Pie: He appeals to what people would’ve done in his shoes, but in not in the shoes of someone who thought their PM said they were Link.
this isn’t honest argumentation.
lets get his claim
Thats just normal pie stubborness, he would do it as town or scum. The Godly pie can never be wrong!
Lynch all liars boss man
You didn't want to lynch wylted in the last game for baiting magoroth out with his fake result. This lynch all liars has historically been used so inconsistently that is laughable its even still being used as a term.
Thoth, probably. Magicman, no. I don’t understand how yall are falling for this. This is exactly the shit Mikal pulled before in Alien Mafia. If you thought you were a CC, you would check your PM 5 times, not just hammer instantly. Especially if the character claimed was Link
To qoute the great "Hannah Montana". Everyone makes mistakes, everyone has those days!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK_Gcl4yT6w
To be fair also Mikal is a very different player from mharman, mharman is more careful as scum. We literally just saw his scum game in Ted Lasso, this was not even close to a strategy he used. He was very controlled and calculated there. I think as town you are less likely to focus on your own role, and more eager to get in and scum hunt also. Scum are usually more focused on their PM and it's structure. And if you are not majorly into the zelda franchise I could see you getting zelda and link mixed up.
Just my take here.
I have no idea what that was and it also rubbed me the wrong way. If I had to guess, I suspect at least some of those people were just focused on getting a lynch at that point and there was such limited time to do it that they just went along with the flow. Doesn't explain why you, specifically.
Yeah I saw you questioned that, gave me major town vibes on you. I feel as scum you would have been happier to buy into that.
Pie’s was opportunistic last DP, and he’s trying to be opportunistic here. Let’s get his full claim. And then move onto Lunatic.
What if both of you are town here and just being stubborn knuckleheads?
"If you were my sons I would knock your heads together and lock you in a room until you remembered you are brothers!" -Catelyn Stark, GOT
Is there a reason why you guys think any one town member has the right to overturn our lynch and aren't just doubling down on it, particularly a dp1 lynch with so little information that it can't possibly be smart to overturn the lynch there. We should double down unless you guys have new information that clears thoth
I wasn't online when the thoth wagon happened, my sleep schedule is majorly fucked up atm. But I think thoth is probably town.
I sussed you and I townread Thoth. Simple as.
You tried pushing me when I wasn't online to defend myself and clearly stated hours before that I wouldn't be is the issue.
Nice it is looking like Pie + Lunatic they think thy can jump on it
Jump on it? I still town read you homie I just didn't like your push on me combined with the thoth thing is all, I was still leaning you being town, that just gave me pause.
Pie and Lunatic not believing I just goofed is wild
I can buy that you goofed. I feel like you are being very over defensive here man.
What was up with that wierd ass last minute push on me when I said hours before that I would be asleep for EOD? I was literally on all day before that you could have pressured me where I could actually have responded. Idk that was pretty fucking sus ngl. Other than that I was town reading magic man but now I’m questioning combined with that wierd CC thing
I will likely be dead to the world asleep by that time and we are no where near a lynch atm
No, it’s worded in such a way that I believe other Vanillas (if they even exist?) would immediately realise I’m telling the truth. Even assuming scum know what a Vanilla claim looks like, that doesn’t mean the entire town knows. So they could watch for reactions and see who town reads me after saying it, thereby outing the TPRs.
What makes you think there is other vanillas?
How much time do we have
I am sure you explained that one already, but a quick recap on why you behaviorally town read him? Might be something I missed, because I largely null read him til the claim.
Did I play in Kohai‘s last game? Idr.
But if his design style was chaotic back then and it backfired, I can see him adding vanillas.
Games in MU are vanilla heavy, I’ll say that. Kohai does spend some time on MU.
True, and a vanilla being added isn't anything mind bending. I am buying into a lot of mod psyche since mikal helped him in forming this conclusion, but I kind of like the claim.
Technically if you wanted to really be nit picky about it, advocating for a policy lynch on someone for a pfp is "Out of game influence" which is extremely banned according to kohai. Not that I am suggesting anyone should be mod killed or anything, but outside of the insanity of the idea of that policy lynch, it probably should be mentioned that lynching someone because you don't like them for something outside of a mafia is kind of OGI. Just saying.
Mod psyche question: Does anyone think Kohai would significantly have changed his modding style since the last game? A brief look into 1990's-2000's mafia endgame shows me that there was no vanillas, it was a very role heavy swingy game.
Granted I do see mikal helped balance this one, so do you think mikal would have maybe suggested him putting in a vanilla here?
