Lunatic

I think this game would have been much better if there was no recruit mechanic. Having to guess who I can and cant recruit and that decision and how it could have backfired really impacted how short this game was. Just give us three mafia to start, and we probably could have won this pretty easily. Town was pretty bad. Mikal gave us so much information to work with by trying to flex how smart he was about the theme. We had guessed a lot of stuff including RT was Teo. IF we found teo we got extra uses of our role. So mikal pushing him for more information and RT being willing to give it was a really bad town move in general. I had also guessed that wryly was some sort of loved role, though my guess was beloved princess. Mikal had said his character had neg util so I did mention he could have a jailkeeper or redirect. Pie was figured out from POE. We had so much information that was completely unnececary for us to have because mikal kept trying to bully people into claiming. Mikal was definitely not MVP this game lol

Also I did tell thoth multiple times I didn't like the leprechaun claim. I was too lazy to help him find another claim though and he was really confident about it. I didn't know he was going to claim it the way he did, and when he equated his character to liking gold and therefor being a leprechaun, that was probably the worst way to sell it. But he seemed really attached to the claim, so I just let him do him. Should have drew a harder line in the sand on that, I knew that role would be seen as scummy. Most roles in this game were pretty basic, regular roles, maybe absent the brainwash and poisoner, I knew leprechaun would stand out like a sore thumb. Told thoth the same. Oh well.

Yes there actually was three town protective roles. You would have probably lynched a couple of us for that at some point and would have been right for the wrong reasons.

Anyways got multiple screenshots to prove that I wasn't a bit worried about mikals lore lord, also mentioned it in thread multiple times. Game had bad balance and rev is salty that I didn't want to try to make 4 mislynches happen with the town block that we had. It was impossible. But don't make up lies.

Also scum were very confused about who to recruit while I thought it was quite simple because most wikis have a list of the 107 Stars of Destiny, who are all recruitable characters. 

We don't have inside information or know anything about this retarded ass theme, dont act like us knowing who to recruit was obvious when half the players were either unrecruitable, and one could have even killed us upon recruiting him.

People immune to recruits:

Whiteflame

Mikal

Pie is immune to magic

RT (who would have killed us)

Airmax

5/ 13 players were unrecruitable. NP1 we had no way of knowing who was and wasn't recruitable, so it wasn't worth a risk at this point objectively to recruit someone especially considering we would have had to give up our janitor which was the only insurance we had for a claim.

Now given what we do know, heres the rest of the players and the consequences of recruiting them:

Vader- who was CC'ed by me (which was a real town doc at one point) and they were discussing lynching both of us anyway so this was a detrimental recruit

Wylted- Who would have been a mislynch target based

Wryly- Who would have been lynched when she claimed beloved since thats usually SOP

Magic- Well he got vigged so nothing we could do there

So looking at this game I was cooked either way. I would have need 4 mislynches and all the unrecruitables were in the town block. I gave your game more credit than it was actually due.

they were so invested in Mikal's lore mastery that they bought his bullshit about this being a complicated issue

False af. I commented multiple times that mikal was probably wrong in much of his analysis, both in game and the discord and can take screenshots to prove this. Why are you lying? you salty because you made bad modding decisions? Don't lie because of it lol.

So for so frazzling the scum team I think he and Pie might deserver joint MVPs lol.

your a retard.

GGs super close game.

Anyways I probably wont remove my vote from thoth here, but if we do vtnl I suppose its not the end of the world considering we had a mis-vig, we can count that as todays mislynch. Though I don't really understand the hesitance on thoth other than just irrational paranoia.

I just know they have like infinite recruit or some shit and we are going to kill and the game is over.

I agree with pie. If they have anything more than like a one shot recruit, this game is bastard and I officially dont give a fvck about the decision. recruitment in general is pretty OP if not managed well. Thats why you stopped seeing cults on DDO

Bro I have this fucking sinking feeling we are going to vote Thoth and get fucked by Pie and Luna

It is odd you are so paranoid of me considering I actually haven't fvcked you over as scum once since you have returned to mafia. Yet I still have to see this argument being made every game we play lol

Sticking up for me as a TP and then teaming up with me would be some crazy ass shit.

But your such a good scum mate in general I probably would do it for you only. <3

I also hate how Mikal is still saying that a Doc and a BG is a CC. Sorry I still think that is not a CC in a 13 person game where they have 2 different mechanics. TBH I am questioning Mikal here because I just feel he has a strong enough presence in this game where he’s going to command game and maybe force a couple of votes to go that way. Very little is known about the theme from most people and he’s the only one with commanding knowledge. I feel like he’s got to be town but I have a funny feeling because there’s no way that you play with Pie so much that you think he’s CC’ing an Aethestic role when he had my mislynch literally right there

I was actually thinking about this longer. I think usually Doc and Bodyguard do conflict, but usually doesn't really apply to this game. I am thinking in terms of 9 player games which we usually play. Now that I think about it, we have a 13 player game with multiple killing factions, a few extra protective roles might actually make sense. Then again, I am not sure there would be 4 of them, so I think bare minimum there is at least one scum in these protective claims. I also didn't factor in potential x shots which depending on how many protective shots we all share together could make more sense with the balance. I don't want to get too much into asking about that though because the townie response should always be "I have unlimited shots" even if they are one shot, to keep mafia guessing. That said, I will admit I maybe jumped the gun in assuming you were scum. Though I will say bodyguard is a common fake claim, I am not gonna lynch you for your role alone. Maybe I will thoth though, because there is behavior reasoning behind him as well as the claim is just inherently bad...

VTl pie

I wana go pie first then if he flips down get Thoth. Order doesn’t matter. I can’t shake this.

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The way Thoth is describing his role is that he’s immune to dying except by lynch. I don’t know why he’s concerned about dying. He can’t be targeted by non-lethal actions. He can’t be strongmanned. He’s basically immune to everything except being lynched

I mean I agree he is scum but I don't know where you are getting all that. My understanding is that he doesn't even know what an ascetic is. I asked him if he could be targeted by other roles and he said yes.

As for what I am, it’s Strengthener. I strengthened Luna. That’s why Mikal’s Redirect didn’t work.

This semi confirms me, at least confirming I didn't carry out the night kill. Assuming that is nobody thinks you and me are a scum team here.

I think someone is definitely fake claiming their characters. Either Tir McDohl or Ted is not in the game. I can't imagine a world where one of them is not in the game.

They are likely scum yes, mikal figured this out in 11 posts on page one.

Ah ok

Quick thought: Tir is not claiemd which is weird. What's the probability of wf being tir and tir being scum? Given myself and Tir end up on the opposing sides of the battle it would make sense for Teo to be town and Tir scum. 

If that’s the case why did you keep saying you thought tir was town?

He played on some werewolf community

Yeah but Thoth isn’t really claiming ascetic at least not the same thing as pie is claiming. He’s saying the word but not the definition. So the CC only implicates him not pie in my eyes. Also you think the generals are in this but not Barbarossa? Unless pie was recruited or shining was Barbarossa pie is lock

Why would we turbo lynch pie? He’s like the main dude in the scarlet empire also his role actually works how an ascetic is supposed to work

thing is that’s not how acetic works: it should passively block all attempts to visit you

is he actually claiming ascetic?

Thoth are you able to be visited by a role or is it blocked? Why is the word ascetic in your PM if not?

Anyone else having trouble with these pages loading at a glacial pace?

Thought it was my internet but my phone is having issues too. Glad to hear its not just me.

Mechanics thought: Thoth may be town. If Thoth chose Mikal, shinning, and pie then scum probably attempted to janitor pie and then it directed to shinning. I need to think about this.

Unvote

I am shocked you are buying this

Noob scum always take the path of least resistance. Always

Problem is he is not a noob.

Yeah but isn't he a shitty player and the path of least resistance is to STFU and go with the flow?

I don't know if I would say he's a shitty player, he did fool me in pie's game as scum.

Yeah but isn't he a shitty player and the path of least resistance is to STFU and go with the flow?

I don't know if I would say he's a shitty player, he did fool me in pie's game as scum.

I think if Thoth was fake claiming he wouldn't make it something ridiculous like that. What's the incentive here?

Also he said I was town instead of throwing me under bus earlier and he said some other stuff that is just too silly for it to all be fake

The utter confidence in post 71, "Wylted did not kill shining". how did he know that if its one of three?

Unvote vtl Thoth

I smell a big stinky pile of bojack poop