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I agree. 3-1-1 makes the most sense. Don’t necessarily agree with the hard fast rule, but logically it makes sense that he would follow it.

I think you mean 5 - 1 - 1 but yeah, I agree

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Even if there is just one scum, they're likely interacting with Mharman through Discord regardless, but I think the point of this is just to prevent people from using the timing of Discord sign-ons as a basis for sussing anyone. Whether there's a valid basis for thinking that would lead to a scum lynch is besides the point.

Thats a fair assessment.

With one scum and a third party, the third party could in some sense be an independent scum, depending on wincon.

True, hard to say I guess. Just something to think about, but shouldn't really impact how we play too much.

What the heck is your profile picture btw

Interesting logic, but in a game with this few players, it's reasonable to expect that normal principles have gone out the window. I did realize earlier that the game could potentially be over by the end of day 2 and was not thrilled by it, but Magic might have built in some other mechanic(s) that could keep the game going for longer despite having two scum. I also feel that having one scum rather defeats the purpose of Mafia being a game of an informed group versus an uninformed group, although that's not to say that Magic feels as strongly about it as I do.

Yeah and i am kind of wondering why he would tell people to put their discords on private if there was only one scum, but it could just be because he sent out pm's via discord and people could read into timing of night action submission, etc. Idk. Hard to say one way or the other, I can see there being two scum or one and a third party though.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12728-gameshow-mafia-endgame?page=5&post_number=140

Here is the post I am referencing btw if anyone is interested in my logic.

Mharman said this back in May, but he tends to be pretty consistent with his modding when it comes to numbers:

"the rule i operate with is that town should be able to survive as many mislynches as there are scum. Vaarka taught me that, so I refer to it as Vaarka's Golden Rule (he may have been taught by someone else, but idk who). I taught the concept to Whiteflame and Casey btw. 9players, 2 scum. 13 players, 3 scum. 17, 4. So 5,9,13,17,etc is a sequence in those numbers halfway between numbers in a sequence, I put 0.5 scum, a tp.

So since two mislynches equals a town loss, going by mharmans logic, I am guessing there could be one scum and one third party, since this game is an in between number of that sequence.

There is the off chance that mharman didn't stick to that logic, so take this with a grain of salt, but if mharman is consistent with this then there is probably just one scum (with a fake claim) and one third party (not sure if he would have given a third party a fake claim, and he didn't clarify in the OP). So characters claims may be useless here, or at best only might expose a third party.

So its been a month since we played mafia guys. Does anyone still remember how to play this game?

My girlfriend sings that soda pop song all the friggin time

I was just tired that night but I wasn’t really like jumping to finish the movie either. It was just alright, as mharman said.

Hi, idk anything about this theme, and it’s dumb that we keep doing anime and random Korean stuff

Agreed but we both know that this will always be 90 percent of all themes lol

I have seen like a little more than half of this movie, I tried watching it at work one night to see what the hype was about. I think I fell asleep like 70% through. I think I got the jist of it though. I wont remember character names of the top of my head but if a character was mentioned and I googled them I would be able to be like "oh yeah I remember that one" etc.

Anyways, I don't think anyone here has been here long enough to remember when I talked about this, but I am my favorite role ever. That's my soft for now, and probably un needed, but I see no harm as I doubt anyone here actually knows what my favorite role is.

considering mafia has been stalled for a month im down

could it possibly start with 7

Would you drive around town in a car that had three missing tires?

Nah but I would probably search for a mechanic instead of hoping the wheels will just show up without any effort on my part.

could it possibly start with 7

1. Vader

2. Pie

3. Kohai

4. Lunatic

5. Casey_Risk

6. RexFavilla

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8.

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I don’t think alignment changing roles like Yakuzas are OP and tailors can be swingy sure but if that’s their only role it removes some power. A tailor can’t roleblock or lawyer or whatever which makes its only utility manipulation. Problem is that players try to scum hunt without using behavior and rely on town confirming players with town roles so much, which is why these roles are considered bastard because players are lazy.

Seems fine to me, if it included Dart elo would be awesome but I understand that would be a lot of work

I had things like making a dayvig's gun backfire and Dreamer results include three townies

Yeah... I am glad you changed that, that is brutal....

I'm not smiling that it's during my turn in the mod queue, but I understand.

Well I promised you I would play a while back so ill /in.

But yeah the recent few games have kind of been chaotic leaning into disastrous imo, so its caused me a bit of burnout as well.

Hey man, I don't think you're supposed to post in games when you're not playing.

Oh shit, what if I get mod killed!

of course the one game I take a break from is the theme I would have been a mother fucking expert at. I have probably seen every Ryan George video ever made lol. Oh well, have fun guys

Damn your elo went into the gutter

Don't really care, if it was keeping track of wins throughout all of Dart and DDO it would be much different. I had a list keeping track of it at one point and I remember I had like 60-70 percent wins average back on DDO. Also every single game that has been hosted on Debateart so far has been a swing fest, so it's not the best starting batch of games.

I also thought sonya would be beloved princess based on her wiki

My issue was that you didn't claim the janitored role, which was 1x doc. You claimed straight-up doc, as in 'I can protect someone every night' doc. I feel like if you had claimed 1x doc it would not have been as sus. Even with you claiming full doc Supa in particular was starting to notice how excessive healing roles might be balanced by the extra kills that were possible.

As town you always claim you are more than x shot. The balance argument about x shots was already inferred and I did bring this point up to vader.

Page 24, post 694: https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/1f/suikoden-mafia-dp2?page=24

I obviously with inside knowledge know that most of these roles are 1x and make sense with the balance. Town does not know this. I acted in a way that town would naturally react in this situation, by instantly cc'ing vader which is what I should have done, and easing into the argument that there could be multiple protective roles later on if you consider x shot roles. Remember if I was town I wouldn't know this so I can't just outright come out and assume that he was 1x too.

Anyways, I literally did the thing you are claiming I should have done, but I did it in a more natural way. You might not have read that post, because there were so many posts in the game I can see you skipping it. But I literally did this.

To counterclaim Supa was a ballsy but shortsighted move, because it meant as soon as he died you would be on the chopping block.

That was my claim, that was the janitor. For you to call that short sighted you HAVE to admit that it was retarded to put multiple healing roles in the game, and I am not even saying that, you are inferring that by saying I made a dumb decision by using a janitored claim. Makes no sense lol. Means you knew that this would cause some chaos when you designed the game. I am in an uninformed minority, I have no clue what role im janitoring especially from an inactive player who hinted nothing about what he was. Whatever his claim was, was what I was going to have to stick with, and I played it the same way I would have as town.

I actually do not fault them for foregoing the recruit NP1, I probably would have done the same. But making that decision necessitated that they play DP2 as cautiously as possible and to above all else avoid Thoth getting lynched. They did the exact opposite of that.

I never had faith in the leprechaun claim, and I voiced it multiple times, I don't know why he was so committed to it. But yeah I think it would have looked scummy if I didn't bus him there anyway, because town me would have suspected that claim hella.

Here’s the thing though, by the end of DP1, it was confirmed Max was immune and Kohai/Mikal had heavily softer they were immune as well. I picked up on it pretty fast. That’s 3/4 townies (WF was dead by then)

The plan was to use the recruit np2 when we had more info on who to use it, but thoth was the recruiter and you saw what happened with that. We simply did not have enough information to risk it np1.

Ya your draw was pretty low. But killing Shining was a mistake imo

Had to use it on someone who hadn't hinted anything of their role so it couldn't be used against us later or lock anyone is. Ultra was also an option, but I think shining being one of the generals was really good because it was guaranteed they would be in the game. The problem was there was actually three fvcking protective roles, how the hell could I have predicted that? No matter what that would have been a problem down the line I think.

Just the way the game turned out. If WF hadn’t vigged Mharman, you guys probably would’ve been fine. Blessing in disguise by town. You also got unlucky by the role assignments and behaviors of specific players, which the mod can’t do much about tbh (re Wryly/Wylted)

I wasn't going to blame the mod for shit, I knew this was a swingy game from the get go, it just swung in the direction of town this time around. I am only getting pissed at rex because he is acting like mikal did something amazing here, when in actuality most of what he did was pretty negative for town, and I had not only called it out multiple times that mikal didn't actually know what he was doing most of the time, rex said he was giving mikal mvp for trolling us lol. Simply not the case. I can post multiple screenshots. I never thought mikal was a threat, and I was calling him out for every fuck up that helped us. Like when he started pressuring you lmao I was like this is classic mikal

This is what Thoth told me in a separate PM. Hence 'one of the scum team'. Take it up with him, but he expressed reticence about which characters he could have recruited, and I mentioned the list of Stars of Destiny he could have used. He then said that he didn't think that would have been reliable because of what Mikal said, and I did recall you suggesting that you weren't sure who was recruitable either.

I dont ever remember you giving us a list and telling us that we couldn't recruit people from a list. Maybe you should have made that more obvious. Or if your gonna do that why even make it so certain people can and cant be recruited anyway? Just a weird

mechanic that over complicated things for no reason.