Sidewalker

OMG, did Trump delete my comment?

You may have a reservation for lodging in El Salvadore now.

Refut my contention instead of being so lazy that you have to use Chat GPT.

I'm not an incel, I'm not interested in discussing incel ideology, you guys have your own web sites for that, this isn't one of them.

BTW, refut isn't a word.

AI Overview

Within the incel ideology, the concept of white privilege is viewed as a form of "dating privilege" that benefits white men, even as the community itself reinforces white supremacist ideas

While incel communities are not exclusively white, their rhetoric uses white privilege as a framework to explain dating outcomes in a misogynistic and racist way. 

"White privilege" as an incel concept

The incel concept of white privilege, known as "Just Be White" (JBW) or "racepill" ideology, claims that a man's race, particularly whiteness, determines his "sexual market value" (SMV). 

1. Dating hierarchy: Incel theory ranks men's attractiveness, placing conventionally attractive white men ("Chads") at the top. This creates a hierarchy where a white man is seen as having an advantage simply for being white.
2. Blame placed on women: Incels discuss dating statistics that they believe show a preference for white men among women of all races. Instead of critically examining systemic racism, they frame this preference as evidence of women's inherent selfishness and racism, which they use to justify dehumanizing women.
3. Victimization: The "JBW" idea is particularly prevalent among non-white incels ("ethniccels"). When these men struggle to find partners, they may interpret it as a cruel injustice driven by white privilege, rather than considering their own entitlement. 

Upholding white supremacy

Despite some incels viewing white privilege as an obstacle, the community's overall ideology reinforces racist and white supremacist attitudes.

1. Racialized slurs: The community uses overtly racist terminology to categorize racial and ethnic groups, both within and outside the incel community. Non-white incels are labeled with terms such as "currycel" (South Asian) and "ricecel" (East Asian).
2. Targeting non-white women: Racist and misogynistic abuse is especially directed at women of color, who are subject to racist stereotypes and objectification.
3. Reinforcing racist beauty standards: Many non-white incels internalize the idea that whiteness is the beauty ideal. This has led to practices like "whitemaxxing," where they attempt to change their appearance to look more white in hopes of attracting women. This ultimately reinforces the very white supremacist beauty standards that marginalize them.
4. Rage at interracial relationships: Many white incels, and some non-white incels, express anger and resentment toward interracial relationships, particularly between white women and non-white men. 

Intersection with male supremacy

Ultimately, inceldom is a male supremacist ideology that draws upon, but ultimately subordinates, racial issues in its goal of restoring traditional patriarchal power. 

1. Shared enemy: While incel forums can be racially diverse, members are united by their hatred of women and feminism, which they blame for their lack of sexual success.
2. Misogyny as the core belief: Race and ethnicity discussions are often ultimately dismissed in favor of incel ideology, which frames all men—regardless of race—as oppressed by women's sexual liberation. 

AI Overview

Incel ideology is virulently anti-transgender, rooted in deep-seated misogyny, anti-feminism, and transphobia This hostility is promoted online and has inspired real-world violence against transgender individuals. 

Transphobia is a core part of incel ideology

1. Misogynistic extremism: The incel worldview is based on misogynistic extremism that promotes a rigid, patriarchal gender order. Transgender people, particularly trans women, are targeted because they challenge these beliefs. Forums regularly feature dehumanizing language, with users calling trans women "degenerate" and "abominations".
2. "Transmaxxing" conspiracy theory: A prominent anti-trans trope originating in incel forums is "transmaxxing". This is the malicious and false conspiracy theory that cisgender men transition to become women to gain perceived social benefits, or "female privilege," and to escape being an incel. This framing completely ignores the reality of living as a transgender woman and the disproportionately high rates of violence and discrimination trans people face.
3. Contempt for femininity: The broader incel hatred of women and femininity extends to transgender people. Incel forums often use transmisogynistic rhetoric, viewing trans women as "men in dresses" and attacking them for failing to meet cisgender standards of femininity. Effeminate gay men are also frequent targets of this hatred. 

Online rhetoric and violence

1. Fueling harassment and violence: The hateful rhetoric within incel and other male supremacist forums is not confined to online spaces. It contributes to real-world anti-LGBTQ+ extremism, harassment, and violence. Incels' misogynistic and anti-feminist worldviews have inspired multiple mass casualty attacks.
2. Online abuse campaigns: Incels and their ideological allies participate in targeted harassment campaigns against transgender individuals and LGBTQ+ events. This harassment often uses hateful language and disinformation to frame trans people as predators.
3. Scapegoating: Incel ideology scapegoats women and LGBTQ+ people, blaming them for their feelings of inadequacy and involuntary celibacy. This shifts personal accountability for their situations onto marginalized groups and is a key driver of their hate and desire for retribution. 

Potential for radicalization

While some studies note that a small number of self-identified incels are transgender or non-binary, they exist within a predominantly cis-male and hostile community. The broader movement's misogynistic and transphobic views create a toxic environment that actively harms transgender and gender-nonconforming individuals. The potential for radicalization and extremist violence is a significant concern for law enforcement and counter-extremism researchers. 

Misogynist Incels

Is...that really something the elderly do in your country? Serious question.

Only if you are an ice cream cone.

Getting old is better than not getting old.

If they did change the 22nd amendment so a third run was legal, Obama would run and kick Trump's fat ass so hard he would never find it. You remember Obama, he's that ex-President with the Nobel Peace Prize.

At Trump's current rate of cognitive decline, by 2028 he won't even know they are having an election anyway.

Its no big deal for you, for you are ignorant of the quran that commands these people to kill or convert. To kill jews and christians, or humilate them through a tax.

Nonsense, the Quran does not say those things, you don't know what you are talking about,

One of the most fundamental truths established by the sacred texts is that no one can be compelled to accept Islam. It is the duty of Muslims to establish the proof of Islam to the people so that truth can be made clear from falsehood. After that, whoever wishes to accept Islam may do so and whoever wishes to continue upon unbelief may do so. No one should be threatened or harmed in any way if he does not wish to accept Islam.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion." (The Holy Qur’an, 2:256)

"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (The Holy Qur’an, 109:6)

“So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to God, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in God’s sight are all of His servants.” (The Holy Quran 3:20)

"If it had been the will of your Lord that all the people of the world should be believers, all the people of the earth would have believed!

Would you then compel mankind against their will to believe?" (The Holy Qur’an, 10:99)

"(O Prophet) proclaim: 'This is the Truth from your Lord. Now let him who will, believe in it, and him who will, deny it.'" (The Holy Qur’an,

18:29)

"If they turn away from thee (O Muhammad) they should know that We have not sent you to be their keeper. Your only duty is to convey My

message." (The Holy Qur’an, 42:48)

AI Overview:

The "man vs. bear" debate was widely discussed within incel communities, who used it as evidence for their misogynistic worldview. The online trend, where women overwhelmingly chose a bear over a man in a hypothetical forest scenario, became a focal point for incel anger and resentment toward women and wider society. 

Background on the man vs. bear debate

The viral social media trend presented women with a hypothetical question: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? The majority of women answered they would prefer the bear. Their reasoning centered on: 

1. Predictable intentions: A bear's intentions are seen as primal and clear—it will either ignore you or attack. This is contrasted with a random man, whose unknown intentions provoke fear and anxiety.
2. Belief and justice: Women expressed a fear that if a bear attacked them, they would be believed and receive sympathy. In contrast, if a man attacked them, they might spend the rest of their lives fighting to be believed, with potential blame and skepticism directed at them.
3. Reflecting real-world fears: For many women, the hypothetical was not literal but a way to illustrate the pervasive, everyday fear of gender-based violence and harassment they experience from men. 

Incels' reaction to the debate

Incels and other members of the manosphere seized on the trend as a confirmation of their existing beliefs, though their interpretation differed significantly from the women who initiated the discussion. Key incel responses included:

1. "Proving" women are irrational: Incels argued that choosing a bear over a man is statistically irrational, as fatal bear attacks are far more common than attacks from a random man. They dismissed women's responses as illogical and emotional, failing to engage with the deeper social commentary on fear and safety.
2. Claiming to be victims of misandry: Incels interpreted the trend as blatant misandry (the hatred of men) and proof that women unfairly generalize and despise all men. This framed men as the real victims in the debate, justifying their own pre-existing resentment.
3. Reinforcing the "black pill" ideology: The incel concept of the "black pill" is a deterministic and pessimistic view that genetics and appearance are the sole determinants of one's romantic success. The man vs. bear debate was twisted to support this ideology, suggesting women's preferences were shallow or biased and that men were doomed to be unwanted.
4. Deflecting from the issue of male violence: Instead of confronting the issues of harassment and violence against women that the debate highlighted, incels used it as a platform to air grievances and invalidate women's fears. Some even responded with aggressive threats and harassment toward women on social media, ironically proving the very point women were making about men's potential for violence.
5. Demonstrating misunderstanding of the hypothetical: The incel reaction frequently involved taking the hypothetical question literally and providing statistics on animal attacks, which demonstrated a fundamental inability or unwillingness to understand the emotional and social subtext that women were expressing. 

AI Overview:

The phrase "man vs. bear" has been co-opted by the incel subculture and other parts of the "manosphere" to justify misogynistic views. The debate began as a viral social media trend where women were asked if they would rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear, with many choosing the bear. 

Origin of the debate

The "man vs. bear" question was initially intended to highlight the everyday fear many women experience regarding male violence and unpredictability. 

1. A bear's intentions are clear: Women explained that a bear's threat is an understandable, primal danger. If attacked by a bear, they would be universally believed.
2. A man's intentions are not: Conversely, they pointed out that a man's intentions are ambiguous. If attacked by a man, a woman might have to fight for her credibility. 

The incel subculture's response

Many men, particularly within incel communities, responded with anger and resentment, misinterpreting the women's reasoning. This reaction amplified the issue and made it fodder for the incel subculture's ideology of misogyny and victimhood. Incels and other manosphere groups used the debate to: 

1. Further dehumanize women: They interpreted women's preference for a bear as a sign that women irrationally hate and fear men. This fueled existing incel rhetoric that women are cruel, shallow, and manipulated by a "feminist gynarchy".
2. Frame themselves as victims: Incels often discussed the debate as proof that society unjustly demonizes men. This fits their core ideology of aggrieved entitlement and self-pity, positioning themselves as victims who are unfairly left behind in the "sexual marketplace".
3. Justify their hateful worldview: The controversy became another data point for their belief system, particularly the "blackpill" ideology, which preaches that their situation is hopeless due to women's innate sexual preferences and that no self-improvement will help.
4. Condone or encourage violence: Some incels used the debate to reinforce their belief that violence is a justified response to their perceived oppression. The logic extends to the idea that if women are already terrified of them, there is no consequence for acting on their violent and misogynistic fantasies. 

Wider context

The "man vs. bear" debate in the incel subculture is an example of how a mainstream discussion about gender dynamics can be absorbed and twisted by extremist online communities to advance their hateful narratives. It showcases the incel movement's deep-seated misogyny and its tendency to frame men's issues, including those rooted in toxic masculinity, as the fault of women and feminism. 

All religions are cults and religion isn't immoral. You can justify anything with a religion. Just treat MAGA the same way as Catholics, alright?

Non-sequitur, you were expressing support for Pedophilia, please pay attention.

BTW, support for Pedophilia is common and growing in the incel subculture.

The Angry Echo Chamber: A Study of Extremist and Emotional Language Changes in Incel Communities Over Time - Melissa S. de Roos, Laura Veldhuizen-Ochodničanová, Alexis Hanna, 2024

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In addition to the complex nature of group identification within this subculture, another pressing concern is the association between incel communities and deviant sexual interests, such as the large amount of support for pedophilia as highlighted in a recent report (Center for Countering Digital Hate, 2022). Alarmingly, this report revealed that over half of the users on the incels.is forum expressed support for pedophilia and over a quarter of users posted words associated with pedophilia such as “loli” and “jb” (short for jailbait), both of which refer to girls who are under the age of consent.

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Study: Incel Site Relaxed Its Pedophilia Rules Amid Rise in Violence - Business Insider

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"Over a quarter of incel forum users have posted pedophilia keywords, and discussions of pedophilia show 53% of posters are supportive," the study said, based on postings from over 1,143 unique users.

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The Incelosphere — Center for Countering Digital Hate | CCDH

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This new in-depth study by the CCDH’s Quant Lab shows a 59% increase in mentions of mass attacks, widespread approval of sexual violence against women, with 9 in 10 posters supportive, and support for pedophilia, with the rules explicitly changing in March 2022 to permit the sexualization of ‘pubescent minors’.

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1. Forum’s rules changed to permit the sexualization of “pubescent minors”. Analysis of discussions of pedophilia on the forum show that 53% of posters are supportive of sexual violence against children.

Non-leftist men = incel men. What's wrong with that?

incel

noun: incel; plural noun: incels

a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.

What does the term ‘incel’ mean? | CNN

Predicting harm among incels (involuntary celibates): the roles of mental health, ideological belief and social networking (accessible) - GOV.UK

Thank you, unfortunately I’ve been traveling and will be again soon but intend to reply. Great post

I just got back from out of town, went to the International Storytelling Festival in Jonesborough TN, it was a fantastic, good time, I highly recommend it.

Thanks, look forward to discussion.

Let the guy have his opinion. All this mocking you guys do is only proving his point to him.

Nobody said he can't have his opinion, no matter how unhinged it is.

The guy is absolutely desperate for attention; the gist of every single post is "look at me. look at me".

We are just giving him what he wants.

While I don't think this recent Chicago raid was 'good,

I don't understand how it is 'new.

Maybe it's not new, but it's news.

I'm not trying to say it isn't important,

But I think I am not understanding what you think makes it new and new concerning.

I didn't see him say it was new, why is that important anyway.

Fascism has been done before too, that doesn't mean addressing it isn't urgent.

I think it is concerning, but old concerning.

Though something that we as a nation should still work on.

I really don't understand the point you are trying to make.

It takes a massive systemic concession for me to have a chance of letting it go. I've let certain things go before (ex: Believe women, vaccine mandates) but the left had to massively concede. This time is different because of how much the left preaches about, "human rights" but then performs this stunt.

Letting go = conceding unless the other side conceded first.

The left should not win on the Man v Bear issue (otherwise it means no human rights for men). But men are fine with being viewed as worse than murderous bears if it means free sex and a hot woman to look at.

Amazing, Trumpers can even justify pedophilia, this cult is really something.

Day 547 of Remy not being able to let go of man vs bear

I was thinking the same thing, he has been obsessed with the man vs bear thing.

Do you suppose it is just him, or is it a big thing with other incels too?

Americans do crazy things like build working cities in a desert. 

Almost as crazy as building cities in a tundra.

My suggestion is just to make blocking all inclusive, where you cant debate with them, cant private message them, and cant see their comments on forums. 

I agree with this except for "cant see their comments on forums", I think that would make it hard to follow the conversation. One thing I would add, is when you block someone you also block yourself from being able to comment on their posts. A lot of people will block you but continue to comment on your posts, which is bullshit, if you block someone it should be blocked both ways.

Repetition expecting same results is...

well, you know already, don't you? We're done. Easy to ignore.

Imagine that, MAGA snowflakes censoring people who disagree with them, surprise, surprise.

If you must know,

I already know.

my politics is officially stated in my State as "Independent," and unofficially as a Sermonist.

LOL, yeah, ICE officers hide behind masks, you hide behind a label, you are ashamed.

You figure it out, so I'll appreciate you cease and desist of calling me MAGFA or fascist. I am neither. 

Awwwww, does the truth hurt my little snowflake? I'm sorry you are so ashamed, poor baby.

Maybe this will make you feel better:

soft kitty, warm kitty,

little ball of fur.

happy kitty, sleepy kitty,

purr purr purr

soft kitty, warm kitty,

little ball of fur.

happy kitty, sleepy kitty,

purr purr purr

soft kitty, warm kitty,

little ball of fur.

happy kitty, sleepy kitty,

purr purr purr

What's your solution if a foreign gang takes over an apartment building for years and the local government is too afraid/incompetent/complicit to do anything about it? Just accept it as a new normal?

You are saying attacking apartment buildings that don't have any foreign gang members, only citizens, is a solution to that problem?

Please explain the MAGA logic where that isn't stupid as shit.

"If you can do it, it ain't bragging." Attributed to Dizzy Dean, Will Rogers, Satchel Paige, and Walt Whitman. 

You are so needy, it's pathetic.

But hey, keep trying to impress strangers, maybe it will make real life feel less empty.

It depends on the movie, for instance feminists support Shoresy's "Spank Me Baby, Spank Me Baby, All Night Long"...but they probably don't support FLRW's "Shaving Ryan’s Privates" or Misterio's "Pulp Friction".

Just make an estimate so you can continue the discussion.

As usual, he's having a discussion with himself, he certainly doesn't need me getting in between the voices in his head.

Con tress was the legislative body responsible for keeping things like government running, not the President

That's in a Democratic Republic, in a Fascist Dictatorship, Trump is responsible.

The Bible teaches that engaging in or consuming pornography can lead to addiction, relationship destruction, and separation from God's kingdom. 

Really? I missed that, Chapter and verse please, I would like to go read it again.

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/reports-statements/financial-report/government-financial-position-and-condition.html

According to the US Gov't's own assessment's latest figures [from 2024 - the Biden admin], total US Gov't assets are $5.2T, a little less than your estimate. If I can look this up, so can you. So, why don't you instead of offering personal opinion?

LOL, you are still babbling incoherently, again, maybe have someone read my post to you out loud, slowly. for comprehension.

After they read it slow, then ask them, but didn't Sidewalker make an estimate of some sort, they will say no, that is another one of your delusions, then, then you can ask them if your estimate is better then the one Sidewalker didn't make, they will say since he didn't make an estimate, so that is incoherent, then ask them why can't Sidewalker look up the estimate he didn't make to ensure its accurate, they will say, but he didn't make an estimate, so there's nothing to look up, then maybe you can ask them if he doesn't look up the estimate he didn't make then isn't he just offering personal opinion, and maybe they will try to explain to you how that logic thing works.

That, or you can just keep babbling incoherently about things that didn't happen, if that is what floats your boat, go for it Pumpkin.