<p>---Kohai's former vote---</p>
<p>Voted for: tie</p>
<p>Test</p>
<p>>Reported Vote: Neo // Mod action: Removed</p>
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<p>>Voted for: tie</p>
<p>>Reason for Decision: fails-to-analyze</p>
<p>>Reason for Mod Action:</p>
<p>Even when awarding a tie one still needs to analyze the arguments. </p>
<p>---Neo's former vote---</p>
<p>Voted for: tie</p>
<p>Tie</p>
Will post final arguments tomorrow. I will say I love debates that end up having side debates in the comments.
<p>>Reported Vote: yogisotho // Mod action: Removed</p>
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<p>>Voted for: pro</p>
<p>>Reason for Decision: other</p>
<p>>Reason for Mod Action:</p>
<p>This vote was found to be written entirely by AI and is thus removed </p>
<p>---yogisotho's former vote---</p>
<p>Voted for: pro</p>
<p>Pro wins on argument quality despite forfeiting two rounds.
Con's core move was to replace the standard scientific definition of evolution with a privately invented one — "a non-human organism becoming a fully human organism in observable real time" — and then declare Pro's evidence inadmissible for failing to meet that invented standard. This is a topic shift, not a rebuttal. Con never offered this definition in the description or in Round 1, only introduced it after Pro had already argued, and provided no justification for why his framing should override standard scientific usage. Under the rubric, if Con wanted to control the definitional ground he needed to establish it upfront with a framework, which he did not do.
Pro, by contrast, engaged the actual subject matter. He presented multiple independent lines of evidence — shared endogenous retroviral insertions at identical genomic positions, chromosome 2 fusion structure, observed microevolutionary changes in human populations (lactase persistence, sickle cell distribution, Tibetan altitude adaptation), and the fossil sequence — all with cited sources. Con dismissed each of these without substantive rebuttal, only asserting they failed to meet his self-imposed real-time standard. An assertion is not a counter-argument.
On the forfeit question: another voter has called this a draw partly on the basis that Pro forfeited two of five rounds. I disagree. Forfeits matter when the forfeited rounds could have shifted the outcome — when the side that quit still had viable arguments left to make. That is not the case here. Con never substantively engaged Pro's evidence in the rounds he did participate in. There was no argument left for Pro to answer in rounds 4 and 5 that Con had not already abandoned. Forfeiting against a wall is not the same as forfeiting against a live argument. The draw call rewards Con's stonewalling by treating Pro's frustration exit as equivalent to a failure to meet his burden, which Pro had already met in rounds 1 and 2.
Con's conduct issues — grading Pro's arguments, positioning himself as a voter, declaring premature victory — are not weighted here per the rubric. This vote is based solely on argument strength, and on that basis Pro wins clearly.</p>
If we wanted to debate an AI bot we can just fire up ChatGPT anytime we want. The entire purpose of a debate website is intellectual discussion which requires human thinking.
For a debate vote to be valid it must have at minimum been read by the voter and demonstrated that the voter actually read and analyzed the debate.
Problem with AI RFD is I can plug in any debate to any bot I want and have it spit out an RFD for the side I want to win
<p>>Reported Vote: Captainhook // Mod action: Removed</p>
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<p>>Voted for: pro</p>
<p>>Reason for Decision: fails-to-analyze</p>
<p>>Reason for Mod Action:</p>
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<p>---Captainhook's former vote---</p>
<p>Voted for: pro</p>
<p>Mal resorts to dismiss counter and re-apply same agruement. Mal has shown incapable of providing the core issue "same-sex marriage" to go off-topic.
Mal has never disproved same-marriage is wrong.
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<p>>Reported Vote: yogisotho // Mod action: Removed</p>
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<p>>Voted for: pro</p>
<p>>Reason for Decision: fails-to-analyze</p>
<p>>Reason for Mod Action:</p>
<p></p>
<p>---yogisotho's former vote---</p>
<p>Voted for: pro</p>
<p>this isn't up to snuff</p>
I apologize for the forfeit. I will get this last round in!
<p>>Reported Vote: ShtLp // Mod action: Removed</p>
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<p>>Voted for: con</p>
<p>>Reason for Decision: foregone-conclusion</p>
<p>>Reason for Mod Action:</p>
<p>This debate is a full forfeit and as such votes for the forefeiting side are removed. </p>
<p>---ShtLp's former vote---</p>
<p>Voted for: con</p>
<p>Debate topic was vague and useless. "Kids", "cursing" and, "many" are left undefined, the argument does not even attempt to qualify what they mean, or even examples supporting it besides some links. Overall, very poorly put together and very lazy argument. Con seems like they need to research how to make a debate prompt and how to defend a claim do we can have quality debates on this site and not waste our time.</p>
Sorry my formatting got way off
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Shows you they don’t know what they’re talking about
As an example for the fine tuning argument you could have conceded premise 2 that the universe is fine tuned for life but challenge the first premise and offer alternative explanations like a multiverse.
Thank you!
You don’t necessarily need to write a paragraph on everything your opponent said. You just got to at least attack the foundation.
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Looks good to me
Those rules are only applicable for ultra rated debates. Any other rated or unrated topic is open for anything
Sorry I've been so busy. Accept this debate and we'll copy and paste our arguments from the last one and I'll delete the old one
Sorry I totally forgot about this debate!
excellent RFD. Good to see you made it here
This debate has me confused. Are you arguing an MGB does exist or does not exist? The debate seems like you are arguing that it does exist but description feels like you are arguing a MGB does not exist
Thank you for your feedback. Unfortunately ultra rated debates have 3 votes maximum so you gotta be quick. I hope we can lift that cap so we can get more feedback
great debate. I’ll definitely vote
Thanks for the feedback. I think my mistake was trying to do rebuttals and opening in the same space. Perhaps I should have just done opening in the first round and just rebuttals in the second round and focus on defending in the last round