First of all: I agree with your points on Pie. I too thought Pie’s shtick that there were (2?) scum and one Serial Killer, but I didn’t scumread him super hard for it, it is possible for Town to believe things that are sermingly random or strange. i would like for Pie to explain himself.
Second of all… your PoE lists only Wylted in it, Wylted being able to teleport and blink at akk
I was trying to quote the post. I forgot you need to manually quote stuff here cause otherwise it just pings the person you hit “reply” on.
So I was right about your response.
People scumreading you must be on some strong drugs. Right.
Okay. Let’s play the game a different way. If you are Town, who is scum? Why should I vote in [Pie, Kohai, Banana]?
Because, the way I see it, these are all just the inactive players. Do you actually think everyone else is Town?
Inactives aren’t scumreads, and it’s possible to read almost anything into an inactive since they post so little. So, forgive me but this whole series of events (me almost being lynched, Thoth getting lynched and flipping Town, now us going for yet another inactive), looks extremely suspicious to me. It’s a much simpler likelier explanation that at least one, if not two scum are outside the inactives.
What exactly was your feedback last nightv? In as much detail as you are allowed to explain? You said a shadow poisoner visited you?
if the SP visited you, perhaps his night action is odd and he makes you poison whoever you targeted (in this cade , me).
I guess it was in reply to Wryly and not you, but still.
VTL Lunatic
Final vote. Not unvoting.
On the off-chance that I am wrong about any of you being scum with him, please vote him.
oh, Lunatic will probably say something like “You are being delusional again” or whatever amounts to making me sound like I’m biased against him, he did the same thing with banana I think. Banana suspected him and he raged. But his reaction was quite telling, it implied he was townreading Banana, because why the hell would a town player rage at someone they scumread for scumreading them.
It does feel like half the people who got pushed (all of them?) got pushed because they were LHF. I will laugh my ass off if Whiteflame and Lunatic are both scum.
VTL Lunatic
it’s rather suspicious that the person everyone says scumhunted the most basically ended up with townreads on the most active players, and with scumreads on the least active ones. Note that he mentioned the existence of a potential Poisoner well before anyone else did, it makes me suspicious of him.
I don’t see why the hell they would even try to hide who’s who, quite obviously the “Doctor/Bodyguard” is Lunatic, and anyone with an IQ above room temperature in centigrade would be able to figure it out (as Wylted put it a while ago). I think the reason is to give Lunatic some WIFOM so he doesn’t claim Doctor.
Because, why in the hell would a Doctor hint at the existence of a Poisoner, when his role could supposedly heal from Poison and potentially nightkills? He could have one of the most crucial roles in this setup and yet, what he does is virtually out himself to that Poisoner?
The reason for that is that he IS the Poisoner. Doctor makes a great claim for Poisoner anyways (he might even be a Doctor, Poisoner/Doctor is a great role as scum because it allows you to Poison someone then confirm yourself as Town to that person you just poisoned.
Lunatic is the Poisoner.
There is a real chance we are dealing with a Pie/Lunatic/Whiteflame scum team. Pie to build up the idea that because I don’t die tomorrow (healed by none other than Lunatic, obviously), I must be scum. Then Lunatic tries to stall the lynch to buy towncred, they supposedly bus Pie while they’re at it (or maybe he claims 3P at the very end so they “let him live because we need the 3p to help us kill scum”), and voila.
Scum clean sweep.
as of right now I don’t trust anyone who is in that whole Lunatic/etc conundrum.
note that wryly, whiteflame and pie ALL said Lunatic is not completely out of the PoE, he could be scum but not likely. this is basically a form of distancing.
wryly is probably the least suspicious out of this lot, because she was like “Lunatic is almost certainly Town”, which is less hardcore distancing and more of a pretty rock solid position; if she was scum she’d have no reason to do this, Lunatic is in no danger of being lynched by anyone other than yours truly.
i exhuausted myself typing this. please vote lunatic, nothing in this game makes sense and the idea that we’ve narrowed the PoE onto mysteriously inactive scum is absurd. nobody has had any reason to townread anyone this game; literally the only person I have the slightest reason to townread behaviourally, other than perhaps awesome/maybe banana, is Wylted. Yet somehow we’ve successfully narrowed the PoE after two town mislynches? Gimme a break.
also, why the hell does Lunatic townread me all of sudden? Why can’t I be lying about being Poisoned? It’s really weird. You’d think he would have a little more to say about me, maybe push me slightly, be distrustful, yet he has done none of that. Yes, I get believing someone who got poisoned because “why would they lie”, but not an ounce of suspicion? This is strategic.
Lunatic’s reads also don’t feel genuine to me. He comes up with a huge wall of text and makes no attempt to explain or reevaluate in light that he was wrong twice.
before anyone says, why would Lunatic kill Mikal? mikal comes across as a rational player and he was probably afraid he would eventually turn against Lunatic once he figured things out.
Sorry, I’m kinda mentally checked out of this game at this point. I don’t know who it is and I’m just voting for the sake of voting.
Wrt why I said you were scummy, well I have a vibe that you’re being… cagey? It could just be me. I don’t know how to explain it.
To be honest, I’m mostly ignoring the mechanical information, at least with regards to which setup makes the most sense, because this is way too complicated for my tiny brain.
Half the town roles are duplicated, so I don’t think it means anything.
I think Pie is Town.
I guess my role this game is to veto town mislynches that everyone wants.
I guess he could be 3P, but I still doubt he would "If I was scum, how would I know there’s a TP? This makes no sense? I’m saying from a pure balance standpoint it makes sense to 8-2-1 but it’s obviously up to REF.” in that case.
Personally I think 8/3/0 works just fine, but that’s just my opinion.
VTL Banana
I don’t even really scumread Banana, but I definitely prefer Banana over Pie. And would prefer Lunatic over Pie. Still don’t understand why people townread him. I think he’s a good player and can easily seem town, so to me it looks NAI (but I have the benefit/disadvantage of more personal interactions with him so it looks scummy on a deep level to me)
Pie, why is Lunatic outside your PoE? Assume I am Town for a second. Is he possibly scum.
I know you’re probably gonna scumread me for this, but:
VTL Pie
Also, curious.
Do you find it suspicious how many people are seemingly mechanically confirmed, or is it just me?
Like, at this point, it’s basically D2, and there have been at least 3-4 mechanical confirmations (perhaps more, to my knowledge, I don’t exactly remember).
I don’t know Banana that well, but from what she said she’s new, I think the explanation checks out. Do you disagree with the fact that she’s new or do you find it unlikely that she’d react like that, regardless?
But there could be 3 Mafia.
Why do you think there’s a 3rd party?
I do think Banana is scummy, though, and would be down to lynch there.
Thoth would have been a great one to pump favor into in hindsight. Sigh. This is going well for scum.
I have no reason yet to townread whiteflame, Pie, Banana, or awesome5000/Kohai. Lunatic I like behaviorally so I'm putting him aside for now. It feels almost useless to push for claims since full fake claims were provided, but we can start with Kohai's claim.
Yeah like, we have two confirmed Town deaths, people seem to trust me now which means they believe me when I say I’m Poisoned, yet the game is giving vibes of “this game is solved, lynch in the PoE”? It don’t make sense
If Wylted is scum, why in a million years would he say to not target him. Having a protective role target him as scum would be a wet dream
Because it would arouse suspicion. Town cares way less about arousing suspicion with their statements, they may not consider it at all in certain cases.
I do still think he’s Town, so I guess it’s just him saying not to waste time saving a Miller.
Based on claimed night actions, the following people are probably not the Poisoner, who is confirmed to be scum:
-Wryly
-one of [Whiteflame, Lunatic]
-Shining
I townread Wylted, so that removes him from the equation as well.
I guess you have a point about the double-voter. I have my doubts Rex would give scum a double-voter AND a Poisoner. So far, no Poisoner has claimed, so the Poisoner is scum. That would require town to Lynch correctly literally every day.
so lots of roles are doubled.
would like to hear from everyone how much favour they have and exactly what action they took on night one as well.
Depending on how many scum there are, and what the Poisoner’s ability is exactly (1-shot, ?), I think there is a chance we could be at MyLo tomorrow.
Assuming I die of poison tonight, we could be at 7v2 right now. With a mislynch and a Town death, that’s 4v2, MyLo.
And that’s assuming the poisoner can’t poison again. With a Town Vengeful, maybe a scum Poisoner that can poison multiple times isn’t that far fetched, especially considering all the crazy roles we’ve seen yet.
8v3 at start is also possible, but then the poisoner would have to be one-shot (possible); in which case right now it’s 6v3, with a mislynch we lose, so technically there is a possibility, but a slim one, that we are actually at MyLo right now. It would certainly help explain how many people seemingly confirmed each other’s roles.
Idk, it just feels too easy for it to be Pie/Kohai/Banana.
Do you know each other’s alignment?
Wait, I missed Thoth’s role.
So, we now have:
Tracker/Roleblocker/Vengeful -> me
Role Cop/??/?? Empress with two votes
Watcher/??/?? Apparently the same passive ability as the Empress.
Jailkeeper/Rolestopper/Adjudicator, when he dies at night the following night phase is skipped.
Literally the only anti-Town role thus far has been Wylted’s Miller claim. What is going on. Town is already ridiculously overpowered with all these roles, and seemingly at least half these people had enough favour to carry out their night action.
I find this sus. At least one of those claims is a lie.
"Could someone heal me tonight? I’d rather not die. Also the fact that nobody is coming forward with a Poisoner claim makes me think the Poisoner is scum."
I guess it’s not super obvious, but I did kind of imply that I would only die at night, since obviously nobody could heal me if I died during the day.
End of the night.
Since the night was skipped, I’ll be dying tonight, unless someone heals me.
If people don’t trust me, I am okay with not being healed as a way of “proving” I am Town, and saving you a mislynch tomorrow.
Not sure if I said this. I probably did?
Anyway, will be checking in later today. Or rather tomorrow, I’m UTC+1 and it’s 1am here.
Vote Lunatic!
