And, when I typed that post I thought Empress had access to every single ability in the game (the first post says Imperial Noble Consort or whatever can use “all” abilities, and I thought that meant every ability in the game). So Empress revealing would tell us what night actions are possible.
I assume Empress is Town precisely because it’s too OP if it’s scum.
I think actually, that the spiel “scum were given fake claims” kinda implies that whatever abilities they have are scummy and not Towny. Think Tailor, Framer, etc.
Maybe let’s talk about this D2. Thoth said I might be too emotionally invested in this and might not be able to see the other side of the equation, which might be true. Plus I’m a little embarrassed to be pushing this hard for a mass claim when I seem to be the only one who thinks it’s a good idea XD
This might be a dumb question. But do you have a read on Thoth/Wryly/Wylted
I meant full claims.
with a watcher, and who knows that other roles are out there, I’m not actually sure any claim is safe.
They may, but they might also not. In the absence of any claims, they might fake claim something other than the claim they were given to get out of a tough spot.
and of course, there’s the corollary that claiming our abilities tells Vader who to give out favour to, there’s ways “roles” interplay and potentially confirm each other. or he cwn give favour to scum to see what they do with their abilities, that is also possible.
It reveals enough to us thougg. I don’t know your abilities or anyone else’s. From my perspective almost anything is possible.
if we mass claim, the ten towns are probably going to tell the truth. That locks the list of possible roles into probably a rather short list, meaning that scum have a rather small pool of roles to claim. even if the claims are seemingly reliable, it basically says that they can’t just claim ANY role later down the line, so it becomes easier to catch them on a contradiction (or some obvious lie in mech that can be proven).
Example, let’s say hypothetically that I am scum and I see no protective roles. I claim Bodyguard or some thing. A bodyguard should visit an investigative role or someone who is very Towny. Why did I visit someone who is scummy?
On the other hand, consider the scenario where there is no mass claim. I can literally claim any role and get away with it if someone sees me visiting someone “scummy”, it might not even be suspicious.
Of course, if you need some time to do stuff or whatever, I’m happy to provide it. If you’re Town it’s not particularly fun when someone scumreads you early on and demands that you “do” stuff to town tell. *looks at Thoth and awesome5000*
VTL Shining
Why not.
What makes you think I’m singling you out? :)
I thought you came across as “odd” to me due to the way you’re speaking and what you’re saying, almost like you’re trying to hide something, or really forcing yourself to post. I haven’t gotten vibes from most of the rest of the player base so I have to go with what I have thus far.
I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but I strongly, strongly believe we should mass claim our abilities immediately. We should find out all information about this setup as soon as possible. In a hidden setup scum can just claim whatever they want and it’s possible we will have “weird” night actions that make no sense and stump us. Please, for the benefit of my sanity, at least consider this.
I have had games where the scum claimed absurd shit and got away with it because the night actions were so confusing and SO MUCH shit was happening every night that made people susceptible to believinf pretty much anything. If we mass claim, we at the very least level the playing field and know what is possible and what isn’t.
and, even if we deny ourselves the use of our abilities by doing so, who cares? 10v2 is pretty balanced (assuming there are no Serial Killers). at the end of the day reads and discussion are the most important things in the game, not roles.
Lol
William means Magoroth. Its my MS name, apologies for the confusion.
So, I have this theory that people don’t really say what they mean when they speak. As an example, consider a political debate. You begin with people talking about something and the discussion keeps moving to unrelated points. Obviously the points themselves are not relevant, the participants are trying to argue something related to some idea that they have, which is at the heart of their arguments.
Along that note, it seems to me Wryly’s thoughts like “William is just generally scummy like this, it’s NAI” etc are not really particularly hard thoughts to come up with. It’s basically just restating stuff that is (apparently) true to Wryly’s knowledge, without much meat to it.
and, now that I accused Wryly of having a hard time coming up with thoughts, she has asked ppl for reads and that kinda shit. I kinda feel like this is “oh this person accused me of being scum for not doing X so I will now do X so they don’t scum read me anymore”.
i have no read on whiteflame as present. part of me wants to townread him but i think that’s probably just irrelevant (gut) and I will try to ignore it.
I assume when scum gets favour they just get some more powerful roles.
Probably some of the roles they get resemble or can mimic Town roles.
I still think it’s a good idea to mass claim. We get more information that way, not less. The Emperor can assign favour. I assume the scum can also influence favour in some way, e.g. through stealing favour from others. So if we mass claim we put all our cards on the table, and especially if we mass claim how much favour we have; we can make a decision on who should have how much favour. Scum can lie, but then they would have to use their role and prove it.
I still think we should mass claim what abilities we have access to. If scum tells the truth, and they don’t use their fake claim, they will be forced to use their abilities either in a pro-Town way, rendering them kinda useless to them, or take a risk and use their abilities anyway in spite of lying about it.
I will go first. One of my abilities is Watcher.
#1. So I took a look at the setup again. I thought that Imperial Noble Consort knowing “all abilities” or whatever meant they knew literally all abilities, and given that scum had two fake claims I thought they would know this “more”’.
#2. Yes, it’s scummy to justify your vote in RVS. If it’s random, then why justify it?
#3. Just vote her and we’ll find out how many thoughts she’s had. She has clear trouble producing original thoughts, and I think I’ve had more than she’s had.
I’m not even scumreading you any more, by the way. I thought the OMGUS was towny, even if it’s silly.
VTL Wryly
I feel like Wryly is having trouble producing thoughts.
Haters gonna hate
Yawn.
love you too
I don’t really want to soft-claim flavour just because it would feel like shit if I was Scum and got caught due to flavour. So I’d appreciate flavour not being a part of the discussion.
Are you scumreading me just for scumreading you? Lol
VTL Thoth
Scummy to justify a vote in RVS.
Fairly weak town read on wylted due to the reaction at claiming Miller.
First initial read is that Wryly seems kinda shy. It could be her personality, it could also be due to her alignment.
VTL Wryly
“The entire scum team received two fake claims"
I wouldn’t use this information to “prove” that there’s only 2 scum btw. Keep an open mind. Hosts love to trip you up with this sort of information.
8v3 is perfectly balanced.
